Trickier Rule Clarifications

[bennymacca]

whats the consensus?

read first page, and people are all agreeing that betting is not reopened if someone doesn't make a legal raise, but are disagreeing on what a legal raise is.

cbf reading whole thing

[AceLosesKing]

The 50% rule applies to limit poker.

"He's all in for the minimum + 50! Yes, I can reraise another 100!"

[Scotty]

The grey area always stems from what constitutes a 'legal' raise.

[bennymacca]

i would really like to know the anwser

i always thought it was a full BB, but now that people mention 50%, i am not sure

[BigPete33]

Dave I thought the 50% thing was more for stuff like if a player has put chips out not realising it had already been raised, but the chips they put out are already at 50% the raise amount from the previous player, therefore they are obliged to complete the call - or something.

I might also be getting that mixed up with something else but from memory it's also one of those "it depends where you're playing and what the house rules are" scenarios.

[David]

Different rule Pete. Not saying that's wrong though.




If a player has called, they can't then raise unless they have been faced with a valid raise. From what I've been told by various people (TDs, et al), a valid raise is 50% or more of a current mininum raise.

That's the way I've always played it.

[BigPete33]

I think that was my point, I reckon you're getting the 50% from a different rule.

[David]

Nope. From this rule.

[rcon]

betting is not reopened if someone doesn't make a legal raise,

Agreed - unless of course you haven't acted yet, then you're free to do what ever you'd like!

but are disagreeing on what a legal raise is.

Legal raise is last bet, minus bet before it (SB does not count as a bet.)

This is how it works online (well, its been my interpretation anyway )

[bennymacca]

lets say the blinds are 3000/6000

if someone throws 2x5000 chips into the pot without declaring their action, then that is more than 50% of a min raise, and their raise must be taken to 12000, not a call. this is what pete is talking about, and this is a different rule.

if this player is all in however for 10000, this doesn't constitute a legal raise, and betting is closed for all previous players to act.

so my understanding is that a legal raise is in fact 1BB, but if you put more than 50% of a raise in the pot without declaration, then your bet must be taken up to the legal raise.

two separate rules here.

i would really love to get a proper ruling on this. garth?