$4.40 180-man SnG - Queens facing overbet on low flop

[trishan]

Spoiler:

I thought the overbet smelt of weakness like an AQ or AK or maybe a smaller pocket pair like 66,77 that does not want to see a difficult turn card. I jam and he calls with KK.

[Caleb]

B.) ESPECIALLY 4 bet if the punk min 3 bets FFS!

the "GFTO as if you min 3bet me i 4bet" is a strong part of the bennymacca kit bag.

also a good way to get me to spew off my chips

So noted.

[bennymacca]

So noted.

pfft everyone knows this already, i use it to metagame fools who think i just jam it in with air.

best thing i ever did on 888 was become bennyjams.

[Garth Kay]

best thing i ever did on 888 was DEPOSIT.

FYP

[bennymacca]

888 is so soft its not funny. even in the cash games.

on the weekend i ran super bad and tilty and still broke even

might start grinding 20NL.

there i go, back to cash games again. why do i do this to myself. 3 minutes ago i said i was going to grind 90 mans LOL

[maccatak11]

Maybe Garth can answer this, or perhaps this is also one for 2+2 (post a link benny the cunt if you have seen this before).

But, in the early stages of somebody making the transition from casual semi-serious player to consistently profitable player (this could probably describe most here on the forum), is it recommended to just stick to a certain type of game> (i.e. 6 max cashy's, or just MTT), or to play lots of different types, hoping to develop more rounded skills which can be drawn upon later.

I go through the same cycles as benny the cunt.

a) play lots of tournaments and do ok
b) realise it takes lots of time to win anything decent playing cheeseburger stakes tourneys, or have a long run without cashing
c) go and play some 6-max cashy's
d) do ok at 6-max cashy's, believe you are god
e) do bad at 6-max cashy's, tilt away a few buy ins
f) go back to playing lots of tournaments and do ok

[AceLosesKing]

We need a new strategy IMO.

a/ play poker.
b/ ????
c/ PROFIT!

[Garth Kay]

Maybe Garth can answer this, or perhaps this is also one for 2+2 (post a link benny the cunt if you have seen this before).

But, in the early stages of somebody making the transition from casual semi-serious player to consistently profitable player (this could probably describe most here on the forum), is it recommended to just stick to a certain type of game> (i.e. 6 max cashy's, or just MTT), or to play lots of different types, hoping to develop more rounded skills which can be drawn upon later.

I go through the same cycles as benny the cunt.

a) play lots of tournaments and do ok
b) realise it takes lots of time to win anything decent playing cheeseburger stakes tourneys, or have a long run without cashing
c) go and play some 6-max cashy's
d) do ok at 6-max cashy's, believe you are god
e) do bad at 6-max cashy's, tilt away a few buy ins
f) go back to playing lots of tournaments and do ok

Quite simply I just don't believe you can develop as a PROFITABLE player by mixing your disciplines, especially every time you hit a bad batch.

I would have to say that you need to stick to one discipline and focus on the core skills required to excel in that area and also to grow your knowledge base.

You both can readily admit that in terms of core skills, knowledge and temperament each discipline of MTT's, SNG's and ring require different capabilities.

When you train in any sport you require your body to retain "muscle memory" I feel the same way about poker you need to retain inate POKER MEMORY to be able to grown and become profeceint in poker. The situations you find yourself in and the basic decisions need to become instinctual for development.

I don't think you are giving yourself time to develop these instincts if you are changing from one format to another. And TBH the average human will retain only 30% of any new information assimilated in a day; so you truly do forget more than you learn about poker in one day.

I honestly believe that if you commit yourself to becoming the best in one form of the poker discipline then you will be able to branch out and use you supreme skills and knowledge as a very stable foundation for your move into another are of poker which may seem to become even more profitable.

[maccatak11]

Thanks garth.

I know i play better at tourneys than cash games (where i am break even at best online), i guess its just a matter of trying to find the time to put in some serious volume.

I may be interested in your tournament challenge in a few weeks when i come back from the snow and the GF goes back to uni during the week.

[gmatical]

Spoiler:

I thought the overbet smelt of weakness like an AQ or AK or maybe a smaller pocket pair like 66,77 that does not want to see a difficult turn card. I jam and he calls with KK.

I think you have to think of the consequences of your actions. In this situation (stacks & blinds)- i assume you were puzzled with his bet - try and make 'fold' your default play. If you 'guess' wrong - it's curtains.

I think if your short stacked, you could be forgiven here (can be the right play) - tilting is no excuse however.

Also, if you are hesitant to 4bet, try and decide what you are gonna do on a safe flop and commit to it.

I think you should have bet on that flop - and i am sure in hindsight you agree (probably would have cost you a little not alot to work out you were beat - unless he check called you to your death that is ).

Why DID you check that flop? Slowplaying gone pear shaped?