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[bennymacca]

I folded. He showed..................drumroll.................

AA (red).

this really is the bottom of his range imo.

you are 60% to win against aces, so it is a call always in that spot, if you KNOW he has aces.

If i am too confused or genuinely unsure I fold (considering my stack).

this is great advice, and i dont fold this anywhere near enough

too often, i am like meh, i call and gamble buyins. especially in cash games.

I've gotta flip sooner or later - so even a 60/40 advantage is an advantage i s'pose.

if you read him to be on aces, then its a call.

but thats a pretty specific read, and as you said, he played the aces weird - its almost like he desperation shoved becasue the board was so horrible for aces.


well played imo.

[Brett Kay]

I folded. He showed..................drumroll.................

AA (red).

this really is the bottom of his range imo.

you are 60% to win against aces, so it is a call always in that spot, if you KNOW he has aces.

If i am too confused or genuinely unsure I fold (considering my stack).

this is great advice, and i dont fold this anywhere near enough

too often, i am like meh, i call and gamble buyins. especially in cash games.

I've gotta flip sooner or later - so even a 60/40 advantage is an advantage i s'pose.

if you read him to be on aces, then its a call.

but thats a pretty specific read, and as you said, he played the aces weird - its almost like he desperation shoved becasue the board was so horrible for aces.


well played imo.

He didn't play the aces all that badly.

Only SB and BB left in the hand. Any raise and he takes down the pot of just under 3100. Limps and both SB and BB call, he gets an extra 800 into the pot. Scary board comes down. SB fires a bet BB folds. He is only going to get called down by better hands, But AA AK, QQ JJ 10's would have raised preflop to go heads up with someone or to take the pot down.

The over bet on the flop means he was willing to risk it all. Gets and extra 7k out of Gmatical. When he could have raised pre.

Now if Gmatical had QJ, what would he have done then?

[Garth Kay]

Range I have assigned Button very quickly:

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

271,260 games 0.004 secs 67,815,000 games/sec

Board: Jc Tc Qd
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 50.841% 48.55% 02.29% 131705 6205.50 { JhTh }
Hand 1: 49.159% 46.87% 02.29% 127144 6205.50 { 99+, ATs+, Ac9c, Ac8c, Ac7c, Ac6c, Ac5c, Ac4c, Ac3c, Ac2c, KTs+, Kc9c, Kc8c, Kc7c, Kc6c, Kc5c, Kc4c, Kc3c, Kc2c, QTs+, Qc9c, Qc8c, Qc7c, Qc6c, Qc5c, Qc4c, Qc3c, Qc2c, JTs, Jc9c, Jc8c, Jc7c, Jc6c, Jc5c, Jc4c, Jc3c, Jc2c, Tc9c, Tc8c, Tc7c, Tc6c, Tc5c, Tc4c, Tc3c, Tc2c, 9c8c, 9c7c, 9c6c, 9c5c, 9c4c, 9c3c, 9c2c, 8c7c, 8c6c, 8c5c, 8c4c, 8c3c, 8c2c, 7c6c, 7c5c, 7c4c, 7c3c, 7c2c, 6c5c, 6c4c, 6c3c, 6c2c, 5c4c, 5c3c, 5c2c, 4c3c, 4c2c, 3c2c, A9o+, K7o+, Q7o+, J9o+, T9o, 97o+ }


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I also think you could almost eliminate a lot of the other flush draw hands and straight hands.

I am probably still prepared to take this flip later in the tournament. But early in the tournament I would need more information to call than provided by OP.

Online I am still calling off here 75% of the time irrespective of my tournament equity.

[bennymacca]

Now if Gmatical had QJ, what would he have done then?

i think it becomes a call then. hmmm, now you have me thinking - there isn't much difference between them really. 2 pair hands are not a huge part of his range, although it makes it less likely he has top pair plus straignt/flush draw.

Range I have assigned Button very quickly:

i think that is the widest range you could have regarding flush draws, but i agree, made straights wouldn't do this.

every flush draw you discount from his range means our equity goes down.

[gmatical]

if you read him to be on aces, then its a call.

I could not put him on Aces, he showed them after as if he played them well.

He gained 7k extra, sure, but he could have been shafted there - and should have been if my stack size was different. I was actually folding my small blind alot because the big blind had been raising regularly in unraised pots and I learnt my lesson early.

I don't raise with AK in this spot, (not as in love with AK as many others are) and if i had it.... well I would have been pissing myself.

QJ............... i know it is very similar, but as I was close to calling with bottom 2 - I may have called. Probably hindsight influenced logic tho.

The main problem was the lack of read on the guy. His short time at the table was not enough. If it had have happened 30 mins later (after I witnessed some terrible raises by him) I would have called. His shaky hand in one hand was off the hook!

I should have chatted to him a bit, may have helped.

Oh well....... bring on the teams event for my first crack at PLO. Should be...... interesting. LOL

[Brett Kay]

if you read him to be on aces, then its a call.

I could not put him on Aces, he showed them after as if he played them well.

He gained 7k extra, sure, but he could have been shafted there - and should have been if my stack size was different. I was actually folding my small blind alot because the big blind had been raising regularly in unraised pots and I learnt my lesson early.

I don't raise with AK in this spot, (not as in love with AK as many others are) and if i had it.... well I would have been pissing myself.

QJ............... i know it is very similar, but as I was close to calling with bottom 2 - I may have called. Probably hindsight influenced logic tho.

The main problem was the lack of read on the guy. His short time at the table was not enough. If it had have happened 30 mins later (after I witnessed some terrible raises by him) I would have called. His shaky hand in one hand was off the hook!

I should have chatted to him a bit, may have helped.

Oh well....... bring on the teams event for my first crack at PLO. Should be...... interesting. LOL

Playing the omaha part. Need to find my crown card for the online rego. Damn. its here somewhere