railing the SoO

[JMACK007]

I think the real question here is:

Will Des call a 4,310 allin bet from UTG here or not?

The guy with JJ def will call, but if Des folds, Bruce takes it down (in hindsight, although he was way in front of JJ from the start anyway)....

Des prob calls anyway, so no win for Bruce (except the way he played it and got away from it), but in some circumstances as alluded to previously, AK folds here and Bruce takes it down. So really the constructive criticism for Bruce is just go allin pre here and hope for the best.....

I still give him props for folding to the action that happened after he limped, but limpng was simply not the play and he payed the penalty by not getting a possible A to fold (even if Des was going to call anyway).....

[Des]

LOL Des, I know your steaming (and not from Bruces fold), but that's no comparison mate....

(and the "limp" has already been covered)...

I wasn't steaming, I was drunk. I found it pretty hilarious to be honest. Anyway, I'm going to buy some shoes... Rivers sales ftw!

[Des]

If Bruce shoves, I fold like Ron Jeremy being kicked in the nuts by Saverio Rocca wearing steel capped boots.

[Origami]

thank you all for your contribution to this thread...

i have some very valuable information from the learned minds of this forum and shall use it in my future games hopefully to my advantage.

so in future if I 'allin' from UTG I expect you all to fold as a sign of respect to my AA or KK hand...

so Des was Drunk and thats how he got all his chips ,[the relaxed approach is a good /winning style]

jMack007 your insights and responses were most appreciated.....

Happy folding to you all.


oh AK i do occasionally regret folding in some occasions in a game maybe 3/5 hands , but these times far out wayed by the times I bet or limp into hands hands I wish I were not in....

i like to play a game where the percentage of hands played and won is > 80% > than hands lost.
my perfect game would be to win every hand I played....but this maynot win me the event tho....

[Des]

no i was drunk at 2am when i was online, sober while playing

[gundog]

It's great how you blokes put out all the clinical fact and figures, the books and odds might say you do it this way or that way, but poker has many elements including Skill, Luck but never discount gutt feelings.

We all know the bruce is not an aggressive player unless he has the nuts, bearing that in mind and be true to yourself, if you were on a table with bruce and you have a good hand or not, if you make the right sized bet you can often push him out of a hand, this is an advantage if your reads on bruce are correct.

Whilst I agree that limping in was wrong, a 3x bet may have been better without commiting you entire stack preflop, thus it leaves you room to fold or re-raise.

No matter what the books says bruce was right he perceived he was beaten so he folded, Its better to fold away and play on than loose all your chips on a shove.

And yes I was the donkey twice with Des and gave him all my chips in 2 hands, but I dont have a problem with it I made the incorrect choice and lost, and it was all based on my miss read of his previous plays.

well done to all those who done well.

[AceLosesKing]

No matter what the books says bruce was right he perceived he was beaten so he folded, Its better to fold away and play on than loose all your chips on a shove.

Bruce was not beaten when he folded. Vs the two players, he had to dodge 5 outs.

[maccatak11]

Gut feelings are just guesses.

Reads are similar but backed up by actual information.

In my opinion the best players don't use their gut, they use their brain to make better informed decisions.

[AceLosesKing]

I think the real question here is:

Will Des call a 4,310 allin bet from UTG here or not?

I keep going over this question.

Stack size: 25k, blinds 400/800. Shove for just under 5bbs. You have AKo.

If UTG shoves and its ANYONE but Bruce, I can't call quick enough.

Are you really folding here?

[Bob B]

Hi there guys, I know that this Bruce play has been going on for some time now. But you are refering to Bruce laying down KK to a raise and then a reraise!!!

No offence to Bruce but with many, many, experiences of being on the same table or just watching Bruce play it is in my opinion a pretty standard laydown for Bruce.

For starters bruce would never do the percentages, value betting, correct odds to win etc, etc, such as Macca, benny the cunt, AK, Des or JMACK would.

For those who have known Bruce as long as I have and I'm sure he will also agree that he is nowhere near as aggressive as the team above!

It's just not the way the man plays and whether it was the right or wrong play, well Bruce plays to survive for as long as he possibly can. If he chips up all the better for him but it's not through aggression or a bluff it's the fact that he has the cards at the right time and hits.

So, I truely believe that Bruce limped in for the $800 purely to see the flop and was either prepared to slow play a bad flop for value. However, if an ace hits and someone like Des shoves then he has an out without losing all of his chips.

Des's $5k raise woulda scared the living crap out of him but maybe had a little giggle to himself saying, "Des is trying to steal my chips I'll show him not to mess with me and go ALLIN with my Kings".

But then there was a $15K ALLIN reraise!!!! Bruce would've had a lump in his throat the size of an apple and I guess those Kings just melted away thinking he's gonna lose to aces or he'll be out drawn by smaller pockets or they make a flush or, or, or, and folds.

I have offered advice to Bruce so many times saying he needs to vary his game as he is too predictable. When he shoves we know he's hit and he gets minimal reward. When we min raise preflop and he calls we assume he has good cards and he rarely goes over the top unless he's got the complete nuts.

That's our Buce and that's how he likes to play. I was on a $2 + 20 final table recently and down to 5 runners. I was 3rd big stack witl around $30k and Bruce had less than $2k. I could have sat back as his blind was coming up and had told him to shove at least 3 times after he told us what he had, but no he kept folding.
Anyway I had my BB and had pocket pair shoved and lost to a better pair. BruceThe top 2 decided to have an ALLIN one hand b4 Bruces blind and obviously one got knocked out and Bruce cashed for 3rd!!!!!

He thanked us all for letting him cash in and get the extra points too!!!

THAT'S OUR BRUCE!!