Rule No. 10

[BigPete33]

That's great news Garth, thank you!

[Goose]

How can you remove a person from a tourney or refuse entry when the chip up system encourages people to drink more than usual.

NPL cant control the stamp values so a person can drink 8 pints in an hour to card up at some venues. Yet by doing this that person could now be drunk and not welcome to play

Sorry you cant have it both ways
The NPL either sets a stamp system or changes the system

If someone leaves a venue and gets pulled over and is over the limit who is to blame
The Venue or the NPL as both parties have encouraged that person to drink
A good solicitor would have a field day

[BigPete33]

I think it was more directed at people who are already COMPLETELY SMASHED when they rock up.

It's happened a few times, nothing but tears.


Are there any venues that don't give stamps for non-alcohol products? I'd hope not, because the venue themselves should probably be promoting responsible blah blah blah.


where DID I leave my beer?

[Des]

This is rule 10 on the npl rule site ,take note to the underlined part.

Rule No. 10 -Raise Requirements :If a player puts in a raise of 50% or more of the previous bet but less than the minimum raise, he or she will be required to make a full raise. The raise will be exactly the minimum raise allowed. If an all-in bet of less than a full raise does not reopen the betting to a player who has already acted.

So the way I read that is, if the BB is say $6000 there are 4 players in the pot the flop is dealt player 1 checks, player 2 bets $6000, player 3 calls $6000, player 4 calls $6000, player 1 goes all in for 7000 making a 1000 raise .(not a full raise)
So player's 2,3 and 4 have to put in a $1000 to stay in the pot.Correct?

But at actual npl venues they make each player put another $6000 each if they want to stay in the pot (this then reopens the betting )which I believe is incorrect. (but then again house rules is house rules)
What are your opinions?

Just been re-writing the rules, and as it turns out... this is correct. I'll post up some examples later.

[Garth Kay]

Des,
Just be careful you don't get confused between cash game and tournament rules.
I would like to know the names of our TD's that are making players complete that raise?
We are having a senior staff meeting tommorrow to discuss some of these issues.
Consistency is key.

[Des]

3. All raises must be equal to or greater than the size of the previous bet or raise on that betting round, except for an all-in wager. Example: Player A bets 100 and player B raises to 200. Player C wishing to raise must raise at least 100 more, making the total bet at least 300. A player who has already acted and is not facing a fullsize wager may not subsequently raise an all-in bet that is less than the minimum bet or less than the full size of the last bet or raise. (The half-the-size rule for reopening the betting is for limit poker only.)

This is from Roberts Rules of Poker which is universally used world-wide.

They way I read it is unless the all-in bet is a full raise then the betting is not reopened for the previous player.

The NPL can make their own ruling on this I guess. Whatever would make it easier for novice players I guess.

[Garth Kay]

Here it is comprehensively:

Page 43 No Limit section 2

The minimum bet size is the amount of the minimum bring-in, unless the player is going all-in. The minimum bring-in is the size of the big blind unless the structure of the game is preset by the house to some other amount (such as double the big blind). The minimum bet remains the same amount on all betting rounds.

If the big blind does not have sufficient chips to post the required amount, a player who enters the pot on the initial betting round is still required to enter for at least the minimum bet (unless going all-in for a lesser sum) and a preflop raiser must at least double the size of the big blind.

At all other times, when someone goes all-in for less than the minimum bet, a player has the option of just calling the all-in amount. If a player goes all-in for an amount that is less than the minimum bet, a player who wishes to raise must raise at least the amount of the minimum bet. For example, if the minimum bet is $100, and a player goes all-in on the flop for $20, a player may fold, call $20, or raise to at least a total of $120.

Red is preflop, Green is postflop.

[Des]

Ok im happy with that. But i think the confusion is this.

I'll make it easy

Post flop - blinds 1000 / 2000

P1 bets 2000
P2 allin for 2500
P3 calls 2500 (not all in)

Can P1 raise again being that the P2 raise was not the minimum amount which would have been 2000.

[David]

I won't adhere to ANY rules written in lime green!!

[Garth Kay]

No, Player 1 can only call the 500 or fold. Because the raise is not 100% of the minimum; the betting is not reopened to that player. In cash games it only needs to be 50% of the minimum. But if any other proceeding player wishes to re raise, and is not all in, then they have to complete the first bet to $4000 and raise a further $2000 at least, this then re opens the action for player 1.