Why do people keep 2 flight cards?

[bennymacca]

he said nothing about your poker ability, he was just wondering (as i do) why someone needs insurance for going all in and losing twice!!

okay, the "almighty" comment was also immature, ill also try and keep it constructive.

I guess if i were playing in 30-35 player tournaments all the time I'd cash in both cards too.

We get over 70 at one venue, over 50 at a couple of venues, and around 40 at the rest (with one or two in the 20-30 range). what is wrong with this?

[Des]

wow things just clicked...

are you macattak? or his brother or something?

nothing wrong with the numbers you guys are getting in the B&G... i think its actually pretty damn awesome the number you do get, especially out of gawler

i had a look at matt mac's stats... im guessing thats your brother or something? could be wrong though

he did really well in season 2, made points a lot of the times, but only in tourneys of around 40 runners... now there is nothing wrong with this, but part of the reason i SOMETIMES don't use a card early is because in a big (60+) tournament (or somewhere i havent played before) and i don't know any of the players at the table... so i play short stack a while so i can get a feel of how players play etc.. then after the first 20 mins i cash in my card

but this also fits into my strategy of not chasing draws early on in a tournament either, so generally if im in a hand, i generally have quite good cards, or ive hit the flop pretty big.

i think the differing opinions here also relates to the regions were from, city vs country kind of thing, i think its great, im trying to get down to the kingy sometime for a game... just its hard for me to make it on time.

i think that just some people have to realise that opinions can differ... but there isn't a single correct answer... both can be successful

end of fight i hope!!

[Bob B]

Hi there Pete, that's my opinion exactly.

Most times I can build my stack by only using only the $1k before the first break.

I'm not an ALLINNER as Maccatak11 suggested a player my do with only the $1k in chips. I treasure my chips as if I had to buy them so they are worthy of me playing that little bit tighter.

When I do fold my cards I watch how the hands are played and see if I can pick up any tells from those still involved in the hand. Or if I had played I consider how or what I would have or could have done to win the pot, had I stayed in.

I believe that if I cashed in an extra card I probably would play more bad cards or make the bad calls to be donked out early. Most times it's the silly cards like J2, A7, 83 or something similar that you fold does hit. But who would play them other than say Gus Hansen.

I truely believe NPL, is probably as someone else suggested a good learning station for when you start playing cash games.

I"d like to think that by me playing with only the $1k against the $2k plus Punters gives me an advantage for later on in a cash game.

Edited by Scott - References to real money gambling
If I'm good enough and the card gods are on my side and I happen to play well and double or tripple up then it's just like cashing in my 2 extra cards after the first break.

I'll let you know if it works when I come back from Melbourne next month, LOL.

[bennymacca]

fair enough des, a post like that would have been good the first time.

yes i am his brother, but this makes no difference to my opinions.

40 runners is a good number i think, when its gets higher it just becomes too crowded - kinger is good though.

you are probably right, the more numbers, the more chance of sitting on a table of "Q10 allinners", and so it probably would make sense to not cash in any cards.

yeah definitely two different opinions here - the poll shows there is a fairly even split also.

interesting

[Des]

wow did you play me tonight... lol Q10 allin'ers got me twice

anyway im off to bed, work tomorrow

[AceLosesKing]

it seems to me no one can have a discussion on these boards with out someone taking offence... from both side

It seems to me that no one can have a discussion (or a disagreement) on these boards without you overreacting.

yes i did take a little offence from someone basically saying im a bad player, when they've never played against me either direct or just in a tournament

Where'd he say that?

we were trying to discuss how some people use a card straight away, and some people dont

We were.

I could see your argument if macattack was abusing you, but I didn't see it. Just a difference of opinion.

Edit: Wow, I went all in on Q10 tonight (and lost )

[Bob B]

Your a snappy little bugga AK LOL

[Des]

Note bolded/red parts for Aaron's perusal. End of discussion.

really mystifies me that people even consider keeping 2 cards e.g. des and others. why would you choose to
a. not get value for the monster hands when they come around and b. have insurance for your own bad play. i think that knowing that a decision i make might send me home early makes me more focussed on the right decision. people are making allowances for their own recklessness.

yeah people might be more selctive starting with only the 1000, but heres a massive thought, i reckon that if you good enough, it might just be possible to BE JUST AS SELECTIVE with an extra 1000 in your stack. i know, i know that may sound like im reinventing the wheel (noticing the sarcasm folks) but if you NEED a small chipstack to be selectice with with the hands that you play, how are you going to go if (by some miracle) you actually do get a decent stack of chips in front of you.

Granted their are a lot of donks out there who will call and get lucky against your better hand, but believe it or not people do fold in the npl des, and the extra 1000 chips is sometimes exaclty what is required to either push them off their hand, or enable you to get yourself into less situations where you turn your cards over and your all in.

Question? if you get yourself into say 4 situations early in the tourney where your in a position that you are all in with callers (which has to be more likely to happen if you only have 1000) then even if you have made 'the right call' and you turn your cards over each time and find yourself in front with an opponent needing to hit their gut shot each time, then in fact the odds of you winning all of these four hands on your way to the final table only about 60% (depending on if you have to turn your cards on 4th or 5th street)

so are you getting 'donked' or are you giving yourself to many opportunities to be donked, meaning that your own bad play is at fault. (even if the extra chips prevent ONE of these all in circumstances, then your in a much better situation than you might have been)

anyway thats my (glocken)schpiel, it does my head in to think why people wont get the extra chips at the start, but hey thats why poker is great, everybody has their own strategy, its just that some people get to hone this strategy on the bad beat tables more than others.

[Bob B]

Boy oh boy!!!!!!!! This is like two dogs and only one bone LOL

[AceLosesKing]

Thanks for replying Des.

Note bolded/red parts for Aaron's perusal. End of discussion.

I've edited them to be underline, I had to to edit a quote and it wasn't working with the bold/red setup. So Des's sections are now underlined.

why would you choose to
a. not get value for the monster hands when they come around and b. have insurance for your own bad play.

each to their own benny the cunt

just like some people limp with AA and some people always raise

it's all about strategy

myself, i sometimes cash one in... sometimes dont

depends who is at the table and how im going to play

as for the comment about pushing someone off a pot... LOLLOLLOLOL this is npl mate, no one folds

You didn't even say that you kept cards. You said you do.. "sometimes." Zemond also implied that he does, sometimes. Before mac's post, 3 other players (Hausler, Bob, Luke) said they did. He could've been talking about any one of them. Your name is not directly mentioned.

i think that knowing that a decision i make might send me home early makes me more focussed on the right decision. people are making allowances for their own recklessness.

PEOPLE are making allowances for THEIR own recklessness

so are you getting 'donked' or are you giving yourself to many opportunities to be donked, meaning that your own bad play is at fault. (even if the extra chips prevent ONE of these all in circumstances, then your in a much better situation than you might have been)

Ok, I see your point here.

it kinda avoids being donked and then being shortstacked with no backup.

you start with 2k, donk starts with 2k
you flop 2 pair, donk has runner runner flush draw
donk gets lucky and you are broke... now you cash in a card and only have 1k.

Still... I don't see why it called for a reply like that. You're a Moderator Des, be the bigger man here.