Crazy Monday Poll - A serious one

[David]

I don't quite understand how you can be so sure that the universe had to be created, but God doesn't.

What if the universe is a god-like object, that didn't have to be created? It just ... is? And always was?

There was never a time that God did not exist, so God was never created.

All other things in the universe have a moment of creation.

Why does everything have to have a creation point, except God?
Why is it that the universe can't have just "always been" just as you say God has??


You beleive in "creationism" a few million years before creationismists do.


I think I'm just dismissive of the word "god" (yes, lower case g) rather than "creator". Not that I accept any argument for the existence of said god/creator.. I just think you're pigeonholing what you mean because of the word.


Does this creator have a degree in mollecularbiology in order to create things? Do they understand every minute detail of the human race, and every other race on Earth? Did he/she/it set the universe "going" and then see what happens?

Everytime a few species of animal is discovered that appears to have formed from another, was this the creator's work? Or did he flick the "Earth" switch, and run off to lunch, or to play 888PL.


Trying to put a label or belief on how everything was created is like trying to visualise the edge of the universe. We simply don't know what's there, and what did what - so we're better off leaving it in the "to do" pile.

[Origami]

I think the question should have been

Is there a Poker God.

At least 5 that i know of.

Tilt, Bad Beat, Fortune, Luck, Runner Runner.

6. - old man Swanky.

lol

I would argue All the above are all 'state of mind ' [ thought ) ---->

God is a creation of your Mind and Religion = a collection of Theories used by like minded People.

therefore it could be said Poker is a Religion


refer GunDog and his belief God lives /plays in Geelong.

note---Science = a Study of the Physical proof of the materialistic.
so an Elaphant of your Shoulder can exist [ in your mind ] depending on your description /labelling and relative perspective of the said.

for Trishan still working on the Bruce Level XC [99] OF REALATIVITY .

Well played Adrian many a thought was devised early in the morning in the shower. So your Universe is a Room , supporting your anaolgy I have many keys and use them in many keyholds.

yes old man Swanky God = ' right in your Mind' and its 'just because '

your creation [this thread] has evolved into a wonderous work may the Force" be with us all.

I'd luv the Mental Telepathy [MT] you have insitigated via this IT [are be it primitive] format.

Do the teeshirts come in red and does Adrian declare this belief at the Poker table via his vocal declartions as a release of his mental State....
Oh GOOOOd.

[Swanky]

I thought this was relevant to the "Just because" statements. This was posted by a mate on the other forum.

I'm all for those who believe in a god. I want the freedom to believe what I want, and therefore that needs to extend to everyone.

However, if your belief in your god is to rationalize the existence of something (meaning: "I just don't see how such-and-such could be otherwise"), then that's not faith, that's intellectual laziness.

That argument has been used for millenia. For earthquakes and tidal waves and plagues and all kinds of events. Those people back then simply didn't know enough, but we have answers for all of that now. So how arrogant do you have to be to think that 1,000 years from now, humans will not have discovered a million things we haven't yet? And yet even then - we still won't know everything.

But it is the curse (or possibly ego) of humanity to think that in their lifetime mankind has finally reach that pinnacle of knowledge. That everything that is known at this point is all there is to know, and anything outside that realm can only be attributed to some divine power. Which is of course preposterous because that idea is continually being proven false.

So all of that unexplained stuff that even today's 'top notch' scientists are attributing to some divine source? Guess what? They don't know yet. That's it. That's the answer.

[JMACK007]

Wow, just got through reading this topic....finally!!

I don't quite understand how you can be so sure that the universe had to be created, but God doesn't.

What if the universe is a god-like object, that didn't have to be created? It just ... is? And always was?

Why does everything have to have a creation point, except God?
Why is it that the universe can't have just "always been" just as you say God has??

Adrian, I think David says it all right there....

Or we could all be in a petrie dish in a science lab and "god" could be a freckle faced 13 year old in another realm.....

[Shannon]

It is completely plausable that we are in a petri dish and an experiment from a much more intelligent life form..... I don't think that that was never not debated

The difference in believing in a creator God, is that whilst at times I might not have appropriate answers, and will be 'intellectually lazy', believing gives me comfort and allows me to move onto other thoughts and actually LIVE and not spend my life wondering how to prove something.....

Believing = peace in my mind

[bennymacca]

I thought this was relevant to the "Just because" statements. This was posted by a mate on the other forum.

I'm all for those who believe in a god. I want the freedom to believe what I want, and therefore that needs to extend to everyone.

However, if your belief in your god is to rationalize the existence of something (meaning: "I just don't see how such-and-such could be otherwise"), then that's not faith, that's intellectual laziness.

That argument has been used for millenia. For earthquakes and tidal waves and plagues and all kinds of events. Those people back then simply didn't know enough, but we have answers for all of that now. So how arrogant do you have to be to think that 1,000 years from now, humans will not have discovered a million things we haven't yet? And yet even then - we still won't know everything.

But it is the curse (or possibly ego) of humanity to think that in their lifetime mankind has finally reach that pinnacle of knowledge. That everything that is known at this point is all there is to know, and anything outside that realm can only be attributed to some divine power. Which is of course preposterous because that idea is continually being proven false.

So all of that unexplained stuff that even today's 'top notch' scientists are attributing to some divine source? Guess what? They don't know yet. That's it. That's the answer.

brilliant post old man Swanky. pretty much sums up how i feel on 99% of this. this is put much better than i did, but i did mention a few pages ago, that religion was invented as a way of rationalising things that happened and people didn't know why.

[JMACK007]

FYP

Settling for "meh, that'll do" = peace in my mind

[muzzington]

I believe this is the real deal.

[JMACK007]

Nice Muzz!!

(they even got the bit about Rodman right!!!!)

[TheRedLadies]

Wow, my head is hurting! Here's my 2 cents.

The creation of the universe by either the Big Bang Theory or God is unproven. Both cannot be observed or repeated.

To me, the creation of the universe by the 'Big Bang' almost 15 billion years ago is alot more plausible than the creation of the universe by a God. Why? There is science and various mathematical rationalisations to back up the validity of the Big Bang theory... it's plausible.

There is no science to back up the existence of a God. Arguments for believing in God (such as 'I sense a God', 'I feel a God' or 'I just know') are purely subjective as they relate to personal experiences and beliefs, none of which can be measured by science or mathematical rationalisations.

And no, I don't believe that a God created the Big Bang either!