888pl Online Champs - General q's/rail/excitement thread

[bennymacca]

benny the cunt what was more stressful winning an online torney or winning the NPL final and at the end of the day I bet you got your jollies off after the big live win.

the most i have won online is a few hundred dollars, nothing near 10K or even 1k for that matter so i cant really compare. the NPL final was definitely more stressful than anything i have played.

Excitement Factor
Live>>>>>>Online

Skill Factor
Online>>>>>>Live

definitely this

[trishan]

And for the record - I own benny the cunt at All-in Heads-up Omaha Sit and Gos....

[bennymacca]

And for the record - I own benny the cunt at All-in Heads-up Omaha Sit and Gos....

lol those were fun. i was pissed by that stage, i ended up dropping like 40 bucks playing heads up against mike and crab-duck, and another 30 playing blackjack, and about 10 to you flipping in those all in games.

finished second in the 3 buck game last night though, so im building my roll back up

good times

[David]

I agree on the excitement factor
I don't think I agree on the skill factor.

[trishan]

I don't think I agree on the skill factor.

To be honest we shouldn't really generalise here. Online and Offline poker both require different and unique skill sets. Online is about precision and making mathematically correct plays in the absence of additional info such as body language.

Offline is somewhat less about the maths (there were people overbetting and underbetting all weekend. I can garuntee that 90% of people on any given table would not know what the pot size is on the flop/turn and I think benny the cunt mentioned that you could take down a pot betting 1/3rd of the pot whereas online that would look weak).

Reading people is so important offline and this is where people who play a lot of live games have an edge over predominently offline players.

[AceLosesKing]

Excitement Factor
Live>>>>>>Online

Skill Factor
Online>>>>>>Live

This times 3 billion. Its not even close.

[bennymacca]

my reasoning is based on a couple of things. (haven't we had this thread before?)

1. online, you can play lots lots lots more hands.

lets do some simple calculations.

lets take the overly optimistic live play rate or 10 hours a week at 30 hands an hour, which is way way more than i actually play. for a whole year, that works out to be 15K hands roughly.

now online, i could check this up, but im pretty sure, 4 tabling, i play around 300 hands an hour. thats 10 times more, and as a result i played around 10k hands last month alone online.

10 times more hands, means 10 times more difficult situations. even if you argue that by multitabling you "miss" half of these situations, that is still 5 times more situations.

2. online is much more of a mathematical game, and so it requires you to learn the theory at a deeper level. in the live domain, learning about psychology and live tells is important, but i would argue that it is easier to teach someone to learn to spot tells and not give them away themselves, than it is to teach them mathematics.

I can garuntee that 90% of people on any given table would not know what the pot size is on the flop/turn and I think benny the cunt mentioned that you could take down a pot betting 1/3rd of the pot whereas online that would look weak).

if you can incorporate online concepts like knowing what the pot size is at each action, changing your bet sizing according to effective stacks etc into live play, then you easily have the edge over a live player who may not be as proficient at this.


i suppose the debate at the highest stakes might be different, but i think at our level, serious but not professional players, i would say that the average online player has a lot more experience.

[bennymacca]

I can garuntee that 90% of people on any given table would not know what the pot size is on the flop/turn and I think benny the cunt mentioned that you could take down a pot betting 1/3rd of the pot whereas online that would look weak).

online, you never get away with it, you just get snap jammed on with any 2 cards, but i found on the weekend especially, i could take down a pot just as often with a 1/3 pot bet than i could with a 2/3 pot bet.

[David]

I would argue that the speed at which hands are played, and then forgotten, means that the overall number of hands played doesn't add anywhere near the weight towards skill that is implied.



Woops, you mentioned that.
But I still stand by it, and I don't think the gap is where near as much as you think it is.


In fact, online players don't have a higher skill in poker, they have a higher skill in online poker.

[trishan]

You know what else was pissing me off a little this weekend. People kept saying 888PL GF is the best "pub poker" event in Aus but the word "pub poker" has so many negative connotations about the level of play. Clearly the majority of people who played that GF were well above average and could play pretty well in any poker tournament.

Nicole is playing the Joe Hachem/Shane Warne charity event this Thursday so it will be interesting to see how she goes.