I really want to let this one go...

[AceLosesKing]

Btw, results to come tomorrow.

[Garth Kay]

Ok, so everyone is telling me to call. Can we admit though, that we are beat like 85% of the time we put it in here? Isn't that enough to find a fold? Cos that's what I thought I was looking at, a call on pot odds, but I just knew he had me. Everytime I call here he is going to roll a better hand on me. I should also add that SB was all in for 60c, creating a $1 side pot. So villain always had to show to collect the pot.

Does this change anyone's decision?

with 6:1 odds, you only have to be right more than 1 in 6 to make it a profitable call.

cant fold here ever

+1 This.

[JMACK007]

You have to call, just hope he has Ah Qh......

[Gaz787]

Perhaps I'm insane, but I can see some justification for folding. Consider the situation carefully - the villian is described as being a "thinking player" and a "good opponent". As such, you need to assume that he knows as well as you do that you are getting 6:1 on a call on the river, after commiting a great portion of your stack. Exactly what hand is a player that has these characteristics doing this that you are going to be cheering about after making your call, assuming that our hero's evaluation of his opponent is correct (the game is described as regular, so one would assume both players have played extensively against one another)? Honestly, they're not making this move with anything borderline, simply because they know full well that a call is likely based on the odds. Yes you are getting 6:1, but is a good player doing something crazy like giving you 6:1 on a call, on the river, on that board, with a hand you can beat one time in 6? Personally, I think not, and a call is essentially setting fire to money, odds or no.

That said, there are a number of things that could have been altered in the way the hand was played on earlier streets that probably would have changed/eliminated such a decision, so therein lies the problem.

Just my 2c.

[maccatak11]

This was an interesting hand and it seemed like forever for the final decision to be made. Needless to say that the rest of the table were all trying to work out what cards each player had, writing guesses on our phones and showing each other.

I would snap call here, my read was [9h][th]

[AceLosesKing]

Ok, results time. I didn't have [9d] [8d].

I was the other player in the hand. The action was from the villian's point of view (Gareth). I held [Jh] [Th], and due to the level 8 thinking, metagame connection I have with Gareth, I knew that he would fold. My plan started on the turn, flatting his bet.

He knows that I'm giving him 6 to 1 on his call. He knows that shoving with a bluff/a two pair hand is ludicrous, because of the odds. What calls me that I beat? Concurrently, what shoves on that river that he has beat? My line is a stronger hand, 99% of the time. I am folding everything else, (his hand was face up on the turn, and crystal clear on the river). The only thing I would flat would be JJ-AA (even though I know its a fold).

We actually don't know what Gareth's hand is, he didn't tell us. But he did tell us he folded an 8. I made the hand 98dd because if it was A8/K8 no one would be folding. For what its worth, I am calling this river, but I don't like it.

Hope you all enjoyed our little story

[Gaz787]

We actually don't know what Gareth's hand is, he didn't tell us. But he did tell us he folded an 8. I made the hand 98dd because if it was A8/K8 no one would be folding. For what its worth, I am calling this river, but I don't like it.

Pretty sure you got the suit wrong. Other than that...

[Caleb]

Ok, results time. I didn't have [9d] [8d].

I was the other player in the hand. The action was from the villian's point of view (Gareth). I held [Jh] [Th], and due to the level 8 thinking, metagame connection I have with Gareth, I knew that he would fold. My plan started on the turn, flatting his bet.

He knows that I'm giving him 6 to 1 on his call. He knows that shoving with a bluff/a two pair hand is ludicrous, because of the odds. What calls me that I beat? Concurrently, what shoves on that river that he has beat? My line is a stronger hand, 99% of the time. I am folding everything else, (his hand was face up on the turn, and crystal clear on the river). The only thing I would flat would be JJ-AA (even though I know its a fold).

We actually don't know what Gareth's hand is, he didn't tell us. But he did tell us he folded an 8. I made the hand 98dd because if it was A8/K8 no one would be folding. For what its worth, I am calling this river, but I don't like it.

Hope you all enjoyed our little story

HEY!

Copyright on that story style biatch! Now everyone will post hand histories from the villain's point of view to justify their play!

Also, shoving with J10 lol. I'll remember that.

[AceLosesKing]

Ok, results time. I didn't have [9d] [8d].

I was the other player in the hand. The action was from the villian's point of view (Gareth). I held [Jh] [Th], and due to the level 8 thinking, metagame connection I have with Gareth, I knew that he would fold. My plan started on the turn, flatting his bet.

He knows that I'm giving him 6 to 1 on his call. He knows that shoving with a bluff/a two pair hand is ludicrous, because of the odds. What calls me that I beat? Concurrently, what shoves on that river that he has beat? My line is a stronger hand, 99% of the time. I am folding everything else, (his hand was face up on the turn, and crystal clear on the river). The only thing I would flat would be JJ-AA (even though I know its a fold).

We actually don't know what Gareth's hand is, he didn't tell us. But he did tell us he folded an 8. I made the hand 98dd because if it was A8/K8 no one would be folding. For what its worth, I am calling this river, but I don't like it.

Hope you all enjoyed our little story

HEY!

Copyright on that story style biatch! Now everyone will post hand histories from the villain's point of view to justify their play!

Also, shoving with J10 lol. I'll remember that.

Hey, it works! Just like the shove