What are you doing with this overpair?

[Garth Kay]

Good move.

That hand was terrible and I expect more from you Bacon.

I came 2nd in the 8pm Challenge game, does that redeem myself?

2nd is the first loser!!!

[Bacon]

2nd is the first loser!!!

I'm a ranga, I'm quite used to it.

[Garth Kay]

Me too.

But I always come first!

[BigPete33]

Bacon, if it helps, I didn't expect any better from you mate - don't feel bad about it



With respect to the limits being played vs how you should play... that's a frustrating one.

I very much agree with macca in that the $ value in question shouldn't rule what you do.
I also very much agree with Garth in that the general skill level of players at those limits is poor and thus your actions are somewhat directed by that.

Would it be fairer to say, as a general statement, your focus should be on how your opponents are playing regardless of $ value?

[bennymacca]

Would it be fairer to say, as a general statement, your focus should be on how your opponents are playing regardless of $ value?

this. if for some reason a whole table of 0.5/0.1 players decided to sit down at a 5/10 table, the decision processes would be the same

[Garth Kay]

Would it be fairer to say, as a general statement, your focus should be on how your opponents are playing regardless of $ value?

Always, I have never said differently. But with the information supplied you have to take into consideration the general skill level of players at this level.

Tell me your opponent is a TAG player with a great understanding of position and his opponents methods and that you have seen him showdown with a strong hand (top 10% in the hole) several times and each time has extracted maximum value from the hand by outplaying his opponents; then I can tell you a lot more about the hand and the thought process behind them, just with this general information.

If all you do is tell me: 5c/10c game, I limped UTG, got a raise and two more callers. Up until now I had been playing pretty agro but it was only thirty hands in. Then I can only use the general skill level of players at this level to guide my thoughts and strategy.

I would love to see a 50c/$1 reg sit down at a table of $5/$10 regs and see what happens.

[maccatak11]

I still think its a bad move to think about 'the general skill level' of a table before i sit down. He should be thinking more about the skill level of player he is playing against. Even thirty hands in you can gain a fairly basic read about how many hands a player plays and if they play them pasively/aggro etc. Even one hand played by a particular player can be enough to gain some info about the general style of a player.

But your right Garth in that bet sizing and the way cartain hands are played will differ between stakes, but surely your decision comes down to 'am i in front of THAT player', not what the general level of all players at that stakes are.

I have seen some very good players play low stakes.

[AceLosesKing]

I think what Garth is trying to say is that on the whole, the majority of 5/10c players are crap.

[maccatak11]

Not disputing that at all. What i am saying that its very bad to think "pretty much all players at this stakes are crap, therefore i call/shove". Thats what im saying.

[bennymacca]

Not disputing that at all. What i am saying that its very bad to think "pretty much all players at this stakes are crap, therefore i call/shove". Thats what im saying.

players are bad until they show you otherwise