10NL facing river min raise with baby full house

[Conspiracy Theorist]

Maybe trishan, but I doubt it will get a full house to fold.

CT

[trishan]

Maybe trishan, but I doubt it will get a full house to fold.

CT

Yeh true that. But my point is just that sometimes a bluff need not be a huge raise. Sometimes you can get nits to fold by pretending to look weak when you are weak and hope that they think you are trying to disguise a strong hand.

[bennymacca]

Interesting though benny the cunt: a few hands after this, he could just as easily bluff with a min raise because you will probably think it's a value bet and fold.

on that board texture, i think its very rare that anyone is bluffing there. the board is extremely wet.

what hands would you lead and then fold to a raise on that board?

[Bob B]

You got your money in on what you thought was the best hand and with the reraise it smelt like he was trying to push you off the pot.

this is wrong imho. he was definitely not raising here to push me off the pot, he was raising for value. you dont min raise someone on the river to scare them away, i was never folding there.

it was for pure value. the key thing is that he is raising all of his made flushes for value, and also a lot of trip 6 type hands, as well as any full houses that he has made. so i am ahead of most of his range on the river, hence whey i shoved over the top.

except for the craziest (and worst) players, noone is ever min-raising that river as a bluff.

Sorry benny the cunt, my bad read I thought you only had $3 left when you said $3 to call. Plus with all that additional info I agree with you saying he's going for a value bet as he'd been doing all along. Good post bad rad by me. LOL

[Bob B]

Interesting though benny the cunt: a few hands after this, he could just as easily bluff with a min raise because you will probably think it's a value bet and fold.

on that board texture, i think its very rare that anyone is bluffing there. the board is extremely wet.

what hands would you lead and then fold to a raise on that board?

I'm gonna check the wet hands theory and what the baords made of from now on!!!! Confusion has really set in!!!!!

[bennymacca]

Yeh true that. But my point is just that sometimes a bluff need not be a huge raise. Sometimes you can get nits to fold by pretending to look weak when you are weak and hope that they think you are trying to disguise a strong hand.

yeah, sort of a reverse value bet.

but do you think that anyone would try that on a board like this? i dont think so. if you do, you are crazy

Sorry benny the cunt, my bad read I thought you only had $3 left when you said $3 to call. Plus with all that additional info I agree with you saying he's going for a value bet as he'd been doing all along. Good post bad rad by me. LOL

bob i am not sure what you are saying here. i bet 2.5, he raise to 5, and i had 8 left behind me. so when i shoved, it was 3 bucks more for him to call.

all i was saying in that bit was that i am never flat calling, i am always shoving (and never folding)

if i had a lot more chips behind, i would think about flat calling instead of shoving (still never folding here)

[bennymacca]

I'm gonna check the wet hands theory and what the baords made of from now on!!!! Confusion has really set in!!!!!

ok bob, ill start another thread on wet/dry boards

[trishan]

yeah, sort of a reverse value bet.

but do you think that anyone would try that on a board like this? i dont think so. if you do, you are crazy

Yeh probably not on this board. I also like overbetting a river to display weakness and half decent players with any pair will sense weakness and call. Good fun.

[bennymacca]

yeah shoving river for like 3x pot works well sometimes, when u just know that they aren't going to give up on their hand

[AJG]

with only 3 bucks behind, i am pretty much always shipping it in, but what do you guys think is the correct play if we are both 200bb deep? should i always me re-raising/shipping for value here? if i had 20 behind instead of 10, would i ever want to flat here?

Personally 200+bb deep, I would flat the river, unless I had a very good read on villain, which would be difficult after only 46 hands.

I dont really think pocket 8s are that unlikely. With mid set, it is entirely possible he flatted the flop with the intention of pulling the trigger on the turn, but the heart slowed him down. Although 6 handed, he is passive pre so a limp with 88 is possible.
As Scott said, 46 VPIP doesnt auto mean loose post, same as the 2p2 post you mentioned about hand reading in the wet/dry post.

One question I have though, if you put him on a flush on the river, did you also put him on same on the turn? If so, why lead out there?

Damn ul though benny the cunt... please tell me his K6 was suited so he has some measly excuse for playing them pre (not that I would've either way)