King/Eight is it in your playable range.

[AceLosesKing]

WHO WON THE POT!?!?

Garth has more tolerance then I do

Oops, forgot the extra 500. 3.5BB is indeed 7000.

Gundog, if benny the cunt is raising one limper from the small blind, he has K8 beat. Raising from the small blind should be given more respect than usual because you are OOP for the rest of the hand.

K8 is ahead of nothing there. Benjamin has a comfortable stack so he is not dicking around here very often, if at all.

[BigPete33]

Serious question gundog, have you watched that poker instructional DVD that was being dished about not all that long ago?

If you ignore the HORRIBLE acting and try to focus on what they're actually attempting to get across - it covers a lot of the basics very well.

Plenty of ppl have poo-poo'd that DVD (and there ARE a lot of reasons to do so) but at the same time, an awful lot of those ppl are still calling raises out of position with K8 if you know what I mean.

If you're willing to suffer through it there's a few things in there I'm sure will benefit you.

[Des]

yawn

theres more digging and fishing going on in this place than the bi-annual trillion dollar ice fishing world championships in bumfuk alaska

[Brett Kay]

yawn

theres more digging and fishing going on in this place than the bi-annual trillion dollar ice fishing world championships in bumfuk alaska

OOOOOooooo..... Is that the one where Billy bob had to beat Billy joe by bigging 3 carp and a cod on the last hour?

That was a big fish.

Still think Red Neck Chuck had a chance if he had chosen to pick up stakes earlier and move to the east side of the floe.

I download too much.

[krunchie]

Gundog this is probably going to sound harsher than i intend so before i say it know that i have the utmost respect for you as a person.

Here goes

You never listen to any advice given by players as good or better than you.

I say this not only from 12 months of posting with you on this forum but now getting towards 3 years of playing with you at least once a week and sometimes 3 times a week at either the club or my shed etc.

Everytime you bring up one of these type posts it is to justify what the rest of us would generally call spewwy play. You know this because Matt and myself and of late Todd at renmark have all had discussions with you about your play.

I dont care if you are happy with the way you play (a good player is one that understands the way they play, first and foremost) but dont come on here asking the question then never listening to the answer.

To be brutally honest mate I have avoided talking to you from time to time ( but not often ) because i just wasnt in the mood to lisnten too another brag about your results when the play to get there was obviously incorect.

Also you are very easy to juge someone else as a "non thinking player" when some of your plays would sugest similar.
As an example i bring up our discussion 2 weeks ago when after i made a legitimate bluff at a pot ( that didnt work ) you have repetadly brought that up as now my new style , so i am now too loose, this being ontop of the fact that 3 weeks ago you told me i had to loosen up to win tournaments. And this was all on the back of 1 hand- I dont think anyone can really make general coments about peoples style on the back of 1 hand, especially when you have played in thousands of hands against me.

I say again, we are still mates and you are welcome in my shed anytime ( mainly because i want your money ), and i rate you as one of the better players at our venue but i belive you could be so much better with some disipline and time invested into some of the skills the other forumers mention.

[gundog]

So what you are saying Pete you must take instinct, gut feelings, emotion out of you decision process.

Even though you have seen a player make a blind steal from a similar position and you must never defend your big blind no matter what if a player makes a 4.5k raise over your 2k BB.

And thinking I'll pay the 4.5k to see the flop is not on at all.

Krunchie wrote

you have repetadly brought that up as now my new style , so i am now too loose, this being ontop of the fact that 3 weeks ago you told me i had to loosen up to win tournaments. And this was all on the back of 1 hand- I dont think anyone can really make general coments about peoples style on the back of 1 hand

That is and always will be a bit of a stir and in no way ment for you to change you game style, your words not mine " I'm a better short stack player than a Big one"(you not me) and again your own words not mine " I put myself in the short stack position" for all the reasons you know. example last week you made an excellent bet that saw all of us fold save one, the rest is history.

Real Question no BS do you consider when making a sizable preflop bet, what players are on the table and their calling pattens ? do want a caller? if you are holding 2 unconnected court cards.

[Origami]

yawn

theres more digging and fishing going on in this place than the bi-annual trillion dollar ice fishing world championships in bumfuk alaska

OOOOOooooo..... Is that the one where Billy bob had to beat Billy joe by bigging 3 carp and a cod on the last hour?

That was a big fish.

Still think Red Neck Chuck had a chance if he had chosen to pick up stakes earlier and move to the east side of the floe.

I download too much.

please supply download site.. as i dont know much about fishing and the Dexter series is nearly finished. Animal Cruelty is a fav issue with me.


please suggest which lure and flies they used as they probably would not be suitable as catching Cod in the Murray is a very specific catch..

[krunchie]

Real Question no BS do you consider when making a sizable preflop bet, what players are on the table and their calling pattens ? do want a caller? if you are holding 2 unconnected court cards.

i think i understand what your asking here mate, and my answer is i always consider what the other players are holding and if it was late posistion and i had K J suited and it was limped to me i would definaltly raise, but i wouldnt raise if i was early positon and i would probably fold them if there was 1 sizable raise and more than 2 callers and would definatly fold them if there was too raises in front.
I know the right moves too make most of the time, and i play to what i belive is the correct play, where i go wrong is the really loose players that call my 4x or 5 x pre flop raise with any ace- but that is an area of my game i admit i am poor at and am continuing to try to improve.

[Garth Kay]

So what you are saying Pete you must take instinct, gut feelings, emotion out of you decision process.

Even though you have seen a player make a blind steal from a similar position and you must never defend your big blind no matter what if a player makes a 4.5k raise over your 2k BB.

And thinking I'll pay the 4.5k to see the flop is not on at all.

Real Question no BS do you consider when making a sizable preflop bet, what players are on the table and their calling pattens ? do want a caller? if you are holding 2 unconnected court cards.

In answer to your first statement, instinct, gut feelings and emotion will only help you on you way to Broke Town. If you have past history with a player - such as your blind steal comment - then this impacts on your decision, but this is information not gut feelings or instinct. You know the player is LAGGY in position so therefore you have a fair idea on his opening range.

Defending your BB in the circumstance you have described, isn't by calling 15% of your stack off. You want to defend your BB then a 3 or 4 bet is required to make your opponent spazz out and spew or you re shove into the middle.

In answer to your last question - calling patterns? What is a calling pattern? I am able to predict the playing patterns of my opponents based on their hand ranges and their position on the table. Hence my bet sizing, pot control and table talk are designed to have my opponent act in the manner I wish them too.

Ask Matty Norwood how many times I have got him to spew off chips to me from one little comment. There have also been times when it has backfired, but more times than not it all works. In the end instinct and gut feeling has and should have very little to no impact on a game where science and maths rule supreme as guiding decisions made.

I have several questions for you Gundog:

1.) When you make a call from any position to a raise, what hand are you putting your opponent on in before making the call?

2.) When you raise with a hand what are you hoping to achieve?

3.) What is the best position on a poker table?

4.) What are the odds of you winning a had if your opponent has QQ and you have
a.) AK?
b.) JJ?
c.) AA?

5.) Is there a difference in the table dynamic if you are the initial raiser or the one making the call out of position?

6.) Is it better to raise or call?

[gundog]

[quote="bruceklmplease suggest which lure and flies they used as they probably would not be suitable as catching Cod in the Murray is a very specific catch..[/quote]

tounge firmly planted in cheek

Aeroplane spinner, OarGee, Flatfish and the all time favorite the Stumpjumper.

In the event these fail you could try Drum or Gill Nets and if your desperate expanding bait, a word of warning using any of these may result in a visit to a place with bars on the windows.

better still a I could be brought off with booze.