Berri Deepstack Discussion Thread (No Rego's here)

[maccatak11]

Yeah from my limited time on table with him i thought this also.

[rcon]

I don't like your raise here - 6 handed, I'm all in, over the top of the limpers with AK. if the blinds wake up with a better hand, I'll accept that.

true, this is 22.5xBB, but you've got massive fold equity over the big stack with an all-in. he has to wake up with AA, maybe KK and nothing else to be calling you. 220:1, I'll take that.

[rcon]

I think xmastal showed us all the value of an all-in bet with her push to get Steve Bee to lay down QQ on a J high board.

beautiful xmastal, just beautiful

[David]

I think she got a bit lucky there - and Steve overthought it.

Very nice bet though..
I don't think she had him on QQ when she did it!

[rcon]

I don't think she had him on QQ when she did it!

I think we can be reasonably sure of that.

Mind you, I think xmastal's thoughts ran along another line.

Oooo, chips.
He hasn't bet, they belong to us
Hmmmm, what bet will make him fold........
all-in.


HAHA!

[AceLosesKing]

HAND ONE – lucky river

Blinds are 4000/8000/1000, Russell (aka Mr Xtal) limps from UTG and i flat from the button with [a[][9d]. The small blind completes and the BB, checks his option. (pot about 40k).

I button raise here. Russel was not limping often, so put the aggression on him.

Flop [qd][jd][x]

Both of the blinds check and Russell bets 20k. This bet doesnt look overly strong to me, and i have seen russell float with middle pair on previous occasions. I discount hands like AQ and QJ, and end up putting him on AJ or KJ (maybe JT, but this was unlikely from UTG). I work out that i am not folding here, but what to do next. If i call here, what will i do on the turn if he bets again (maybe 50k this time). I only had about 90k so that would be the majority of my stack.

So i also rule out calling. I decided to put the pressure on and shove for my remaining 90-odd-thousand.

Russell tanks for about 3 minutes and decides to call, tabling [kc][qh]

Standard shove. Why did you discount QJ? KT is also a possibility. He did lead into players with second pair (did it to me BB vs BTN on that K65 flop, said he had a 6). Was it a move he was doing often? If he did have the Q, how did you think he was reacting? You can't really call there either, if you want to play the hand shoving is the right play.

[color=#FF0000][b]HAND TWO – �][/c]lor]the biggest decision i have had to make in poker.

6 players left, and blinds were 20k/40k/5k and i pick up [ac][kh] in the small blind with about 900k in chips. I have got a reasonably bad table draw, as although i was second in chips, the chip leader (who had well over a million at the time) had position on me.

There are two limpers so i decide to raise to 220k.

How much did you have when this hand started? I heard you had 600k. Even if I have 1m here I don't like putting out 220k then folding to a ship. You should've asked yourself what you're doing if the BB, the only stack that has you covered, ships it in, or one of the remaining shorties do. Always have a plan.

I'm shoving this pre. 140k in the pot already (discounting antes). I don't want to bet 300k etc, then have to fold on a flop I've missed. I hate that about 888pl tournaments late, the avg stack is like 10bbs and spots like this suck.

The beauty with AK is not the hand itself, but the fold equity you get with it

The BB (big stack) goes all in, and the limpers promptly fold. So it is up to me to make a call for the rest of my stack, or fold.
I struggle to put the BB on a hand. I had sat on this guy’s (�can) table for only an hour or so while we were down to two tables, so i limited information on him. I had seen him play reasonably aggressively, opening pre-flop with a wide-ish range and picking up lots of orphaned pots post flop, but rarely did i see him come over the top of a raise without premium cards. I was also aware that he had seen me do a similar thing with my biggish stack, although im not sure whether this was part of his thought process when he put me all in.

He seemed that lag that I would've snapped this. Maffau and I said at the time while the hand was going on that we were calling.

[color=#FF0000][b]HAND THREE – [/[]�olor]o]ch time

An orbit later and the blinds are 30k/60k/5k. I have a little under 600k. Im in the big blind this time but again get [ad][kh]. Action is folded to the small blind (ducky) who completes. Ducky had only about 260k behind him, so i decide to put the pressure on and set him all in.
He thinks for ages and eventually calls, tabling [3c][3s]. The board bricks out and i take a huge hit to my stack, about half including the big blind.

[/quote]

Put this in pre, and don't feel bad about it. What are you expected to do? Raise it to 120k? That creates a 240k pot and SB has less than a PSB behind. What do you do when he ships the flop and you're holding A high? You're probably calling, but you don't feel good about it. This is an easy shove preflop. Stacks are not deep enough to play poker here.

Xtal's A6 hand: Stevo definitely over thought that hand. Fwiw, he showed me the QQ and I said to someone, "he can't call here." It just felt like a higher overpair. I have never played with xtal, but I get the impression that if she had KK/AA, she would be shoving that flop.

It was a good bet.

[maccatak11]

In hand two i had a little under 900k, so the bet was a bit under 1/4 of my stack. Im thinking that i should have shipped it pre here.

My previous experience of the big stack was that he didnt really want to get involved with the other big stacks - i had not played a hand against him in about an hour before the final table.

Both of the limpers in this pot had around 300k. I raised this amount knowing full well a call from either of them would commit their stack, and this is what i was looking for actually.

I really hadn't considered the big stack moving in as an option. it really caught me off guard as i think i had kinda been running the table before then. It was a big swing in momentum.

[rcon]

In hand two i had a little under 900k, so the bet was a bit under 1/4 of my stack. Im thinking that i should have shipped it pre here.

I could agree with this more. You run into AA in the BB, so be it. the other 219 times, he is folding.

That said, congrats on the deep run - nice work

[Scotty]

How quickly did he 3-bet all in?

[maccatak11]

Pretty quickly, but i don't know whether he is more likely to be strong or week in this situation...