Bob B wrote:Sorry AJ I don't profess to have yours or Garths knowledge and class myself as a very basic ABC player. Sometimes it's a gut feeling you pick up during the course of the game along with the maths that makes you make some odd decissions.
Bottom line for me would be to call in both instances to take out the small stack while I had a chance and still had chips behind me. I'll never go down wondering had I folded and didn't call.
In the second senario
I'm going for the glory, LOL and as I said in my post I put myself in front and hopefully I made the correct decission. After all Poker is gambling and hopefully we have an edge over our opponent.
So as you can see Bob. The two simulations I described in my post are actually very similar in the mathematical stakes and the odds in both equations dictate a call.
It is the extra information or the lack of other aspects that influences people's decisions as you can see by the myriad of responses here.
The truth be told I snap call in both situations, odds and equity dictate a call in both scenarios, yes Pete even with 7,2. If I see anyone in the BB folding in the above scenario I instantly label them as weak tight and will continue to raise their BB every hand and when they do find the balls to play back or wake up with a pair then I will consider a lay down.
Whilst there is a certain amount of situational awareness required it must also be added that online vs. live is another debate and the play that may be made in an online world may be different to that made in the live world, just because the difference in table dynamics and opponents from one environment to the next.
Now if we change any of the scenarios to a push from the button and you look down at KQ suited are you calling, the majority of people here would say hell yes. Well against AK or KK or QQ or AA you are still a 4 to 1 dog. But people are more willing to call off with pretty little paint cards when they are an underdog than they are with rag hands, even though the odds and situation are exactly the same. It is the perception many people have of starting hand strengths as well as a real lack of the basic mathematical understanding of pot odds and equity that alter their decisions.
In this case this is not instinctual but rather the way you learnt the basics of poker: these are strong hands, these are weak hands. Yes, starting hand selection is important but just as important as understanding basic odds and able to put your opponent on a range of hands.
Final question:
You know your opponent has [ks] [qs] , you have to call his all in for your tournament life you have no other options.
Which hand do you want to play against him:
[kc] [qd]
[qd] [10d]
[10c] [jc]
[8s] [9c]
[2d] [7d]
, and love to know/calc all the numbers, but to me they are just starting points for the decisions made on the felt, whether IRL or online.
and 40 to frown 
