Biggest donkout idiotic tourney I have ever seen

[AJG]

Just missed reg for the $3 888PL game, so decide to play the $1 MTT, and I have never seen so many crazy stupid shoves and calls, and suckouts. in fact i dont think I ever saw the best hand preflop holdup. QQ getting called allin by A-rag hits his Ace...

Here is just one example:

#Game No : 211450413
***** Cassava Hand History for Game 211450413 *****
$150/$300 Blinds No Limit Holdem - *** 19 06 2009 00:22:26
Tournament #23751251 $1 + $0.10 - Table #1 (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 7
Seat 2: ArfieBoy ( $5,590 )
Seat 3: highl111 ( $5,470 )
Seat 4: ColdzeroNL ( $700 )
Seat 5: slowbreeze ( $5,532 )
Seat 6: .pKoIkNeGr. ( $6,959 )
Seat 8: hoggele ( $552 )
Seat 10: fatzkendog ( $9,942 )
ArfieBoy posts small blind [$150]
highl111 posts big blind [$300]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to .pKoIkNeGr. [ 3d, Js ]
ColdzeroNL folds
slowbreeze folds
.pKoIkNeGr. folds
hoggele raises [$552]
fatzkendog folds
ArfieBoy folds
highl111 calls [$252]
** Dealing flop ** [ 7d, 7s, Qs ]
** Dealing turn ** [ 2s ]
** Dealing river ** [ 5c ]
** Summary **
highl111 shows [ 7c, 3c ]
hoggele shows [ 8s, 8h ]
highl111 collected [ $1,254 ]

and another that actually involved me:
#Game No : 211450524
***** Cassava Hand History for Game 211450524 *****
$200/$400 Blinds No Limit Holdem - *** 19 06 2009 00:35:22
Tournament #23751251 $1 + $0.10 - Table #1 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 7
Seat 2: ArfieBoy ( $3,980 )
Seat 3: highl111 ( $17,538 )
Seat 5: peartsAA ( $10,544 )
Seat 6: .pKoIkNeGr. ( $9,541 )
Seat 7: tootsy ( $6,452 )
Seat 8: Yinny115 ( $5,220 )
Seat 9: Duilio_vdr ( $5,477 )
Duilio_vdr posts small blind [$200]
ArfieBoy posts big blind [$400]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to .pKoIkNeGr. [ Kd, Ks ]
highl111 folds
peartsAA folds
.pKoIkNeGr. raises [$1,000]
tootsy folds
Yinny115 folds
Duilio_vdr folds
ArfieBoy calls [$600]
** Dealing flop ** [ Ad, 9c, 3d ]
ArfieBoy bets [$2,980]
.pKoIkNeGr. calls [$2,980]
** Dealing turn ** [ 7d ]
** Dealing river ** [ Kh ]
** Summary **
ArfieBoy shows [ 3c, 2c ]
.pKoIkNeGr. shows [ Kd, Ks ]
.pKoIkNeGr. collected [ $8,160 ]

I was pretty sure he didnt have an Ace, as this guy had been shoving and calling with extremely weak hands.

[AceLosesKing]

We really need a hand converter.

[AJG]

Yep that would be good
And it just happened again (posting while playing probably not the best idea I know)

AA v KK v JJ allin preflop
J on the river!

[AJG]

That was the most unique tourney i played. made the FT, but never once did I see the best hand preflop, win when it was allin preflop! NOT ONCE!

My last hand:
#Game No : 211450904
***** Cassava Hand History for Game 211450904 *****
$1,000/$2,000 Blinds No Limit Holdem - *** 19 06 2009 01:38:07
Tournament #23751251 $1 + $0.10 - Table #1 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 1: virgilio67 ( $4,290 )
Seat 2: biggles249 ( $2,538 )
Seat 3: Duilio_vdr ( $17,908 )
Seat 4: highl111 ( $8,407 )
Seat 5: peartsAA ( $26,068 )
Seat 6: meladonG ( $33,429 )
Seat 7: amc135 ( $30,176 )
Seat 8: .pKoIkNeGr. ( $16,684 )
biggles249 posts small blind [$1,000]
Duilio_vdr posts big blind [$2,000]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to .pKoIkNeGr. [ Js, Jh ]
highl111 folds
peartsAA folds
meladonG raises [$8,000]
amc135 folds
.pKoIkNeGr. raises [$16,684]
virgilio67 folds
biggles249 folds
Duilio_vdr folds
meladonG calls [$8,684]
** Dealing flop ** [ Th, Ac, 3s ]
** Dealing turn ** [ 3d ]
** Dealing river ** [ Kc ]
** Summary **
meladonG shows [ As, Qc ]
.pKoIkNeGr. shows [ Js, Jh ]
meladonG collected [ $36,368 ]

friggin Qs and Js are Ace magnets!

[AceLosesKing]

That last one is 50/50

Gratz on the FT though.

[Bacon]

The first one is standard.. BB faced with an all-in of less than a BB raise, of course he's calling, especially with that stack.

Bagged a guy in the $2 challenge game for NOT doing it. (BB 600 stack over $5600, UTG allin for 820, BB doesn't call)

[AJG]

The first one is standard.. BB faced with an all-in of less than a BB raise, of course he's calling, especially with that stack.

Bagged a guy in the $2 challenge game for NOT doing it. (BB 600 stack over $5600, UTG allin for 820, BB doesn't call)

I dont think it should be an instacall just because you can afford it, irrrespective of your cards...
cmon 73! You'd call purely cos its only another 252?
If u got crap cards most of the time all you will end up doin is doubling up the other player!

This came up with ubcreative in a $3 event FT, and we both agreed, too many players seem to think its their job in a tourney to knock out players (which is the ONLY reason I can possibly see for calling a small push with absolute garbage).... Its not! your only task is to accumulate as many chips as possible.

In the hand you regard as standard, had the BB folded his 73, the shortstack would have only picked up 450 and probably have blinded out or shoved when someone had a hand to call with. OK in this instance he sucked out with this 73, but running that through PokerStove, the 8s are an 81.8% favourite. And later in the tourney, when players are shoving for maybe 3 or 5 BB, and you say have 50BB, 82% of the time, you are gonna double him up playin like that!

[AJG]

That last one is 50/50

Gratz on the FT though.

I think Im a little more ahead, but... yeah... still a race.
And Thx...

[Garth Kay]

The first one is standard.. BB faced with an all-in of less than a BB raise, of course he's calling, especially with that stack.

Bagged a guy in the $2 challenge game for NOT doing it. (BB 600 stack over $5600, UTG allin for 820, BB doesn't call)

I dont think it should be an instacall just because you can afford it, irrrespective of your cards...
cmon 73! You'd call purely cos its only another 252?
If u got crap cards most of the time all you will end up doin is doubling up the other player!

This came up with ubcreative in a $3 event FT, and we both agreed, too many players seem to think its their job in a tourney to knock out players (which is the ONLY reason I can possibly see for calling a small push with absolute garbage).... Its not! your only task is to accumulate as many chips as possible.

In the hand you regard as standard, had the BB folded his 73, the shortstack would have only picked up 450 and probably have blinded out or shoved when someone had a hand to call with. OK in this instance he sucked out with this 73, but running that through PokerStove, the 8s are an 81.8% favourite. And later in the tourney, when players are shoving for maybe 3 or 5 BB, and you say have 50BB, 82% of the time, you are gonna double him up playin like that!

Pot is worth 150 + 300 + 552 = 1002. BB has to call off 252 to win 1002, he is getting 4 to 1 on his pot odds, not only that but it is only 5% of his stack to call. This alone implies insta call even if his opponent has AA, he is only a 4 to 1 dog preflop.

In saying that it also doesn't matter what his opponent actually has but what his range of hands are here for shoving.
Without any information I am going to assume that a shortstacked opponent with less than 2BB, in a $1 tourney, with action folded to him and in position will be shoving almost 60 - 75% of hands: 22 - AA, A2 - AK, K2s - KQs, K9 - KQ, Q8s - QJs, Q8 - QJ, and suited connectors 45 - JT and connectors 67 - JT, we can also include one gap suited connectors 46 - J9 suited.

That means, and I don't have poker stove on here, I am beating his range of hands 2% of the time, I am dominated as a 4 to 1 dog 14% of the time and the rest of his range I am racing or 60/40 ing with him. I will make this call any day of the week, especially considering I am only losing 5% of my stack and doubling him up will mean I still have him outchipped 5 to 1 and he remains shortstacked still.

[Garth Kay]

Why does noone want to discuss or argue anything poker related I say?