A player cut sick at me at the casino for this.....

[Caleb]

With the Ace?

And yeah, he should definitely be folding the turn.

Representing the Ace I meant.

Not club draw on the flop, but a gutshot.

How do you rep a flopped Ace if you're leading a blank turn? If you have an single Ace, you're firing the flop.

just look at him and say - "well i won the pot, and you lost it, so who's the non-thinking player?"

Its actually "Who won the pot?"

Caleb: What are you doing if the turn isn't a club or a 3?

I would've checked to the button (friend of mine). She would've fired with her 10, Mid would've called, then I probably would've folded.

I'm not completely crazy. I prefer the semi-bluff to the balls-out complete bluff with a 4-high gutshot.

I called the $10 on the flop to represent, I changed my mind when the button called. She's a very good player and knows me quite well. I needed to improve my percentages on the turn to continue with confidence.

[AceLosesKing]

I would've checked to the button (friend of mine). She would've fired with her 10, Mid would've called, then I probably would've folded.

So she told you afterwards she had a T? What does her flop call have to do with anything?

I'm not completely crazy. I prefer the semi-bluff to the balls-out complete bluff with a 4-high gutshot.

Very thin semi call on the flop

I called the $10 on the flop to represent, I changed my mind when the button called. She's a very good player and knows me quite well. I needed to improve my percentages on the turn to continue with confidence.

The only thing you're repping on that board is a set, or AT. And even then you'd be raising for value, esp at such an easy game as 2/2 at the cas. Flatting after all those calls looks like a middle/bottom pair hand or a very loose draw (KQ - which is raising pre/42).

So I assume you're thinking you can outplay the button on most turns. What about SB, BB and Mid? Are they all giving up their hands so easily (never mind that they did, you're looking at the long run here).

[Caleb]

So she told you afterwards she had a T? What does her flop call have to do with anything?

Yep. I was not going to stack off against her. The 2 big stacks. Also, I try not to get involved with mates at a table. We'd been avoiding eachothers monsters all night with that rationale. Everyone else, I throw everything INCLUDING the kitchen sink at them to beat them.

Very thin semi call on the flop

Hahaha.... (looks for the nearest kitchen sink...)

The only thing you're repping on that board is a set, or AT. And even then you'd be raising for value, esp at such an easy game as 2/2 at the cas. Flatting after all those calls looks like a middle/bottom pair hand or a very loose draw (KQ - which is raising pre/42).

So I assume you're thinking you can outplay the button on most turns. What about SB, BB and Mid? Are they all giving up their hands so easily (never mind that they did, you're looking at the long run here).

Yes, based on my prevous play with them. Very very weak play at the cas on a saturday night. The fact I played my Kings the same way previous to stack someone for over $150 led me to play this hand the same way. It worked and it didn't. I didn't get respect on the turn from the mid because it was his first hand at the table. The rest of the table folded. SB must of had something to put $10 in on the flop etc. etc.

And even then you'd be raising for value, esp at such an easy game as 2/2 at the cas.

This is the standard play at the low levels. Exactly why I didn't play that way. New players like the ones I was playing cannot handle someone playing a hand the opposite of what they are willing to do themselves.

Value raising with made hands later on led to no respect with more callers.

[BigPete33]

I can't help thinking that he discounted the thought of you having an ace because you didn't raise preflop and that's why he kept calling.

There's nothing saying you have to raise just because you have an ace, but I'm reckoning HE thought you should.

That's assuming that particular thought process actually happened.

What a tool.

[Origami]

Matty Norwood would be proud of you

well played chasing and hitting on the river. its the old gotta go to work manouvoure

[bennymacca]

Matty Norwood would be proud of you

well played chasing and hitting on the river. its the old gotta go to work manouvoure

bruce, this is NOT a case of chasing to hit on the river.

poker is as much about what the other player thinks you have rather than what you actually have. the fact that he hit on the river is irrelevant, it was luck. the turn bet was intended to win the pot as his line looked like a middle ace or backing into 2 pair.

[Origami]

Matty Norwood would be proud of you

well played chasing and hitting on the river. its the old gotta go to work manouvoure

bruce, this is NOT a case of chasing to hit on the river.

poker is as much about what the other player thinks you have rather than what you actually have. the fact that he hit on the river is irrelevant, it was luck. the turn bet was intended to win the pot as his line looked like a middle ace or backing into 2 pair.

i hear you benny the cunt.....

as i see the hand he had a pair of tens... on the turn was ahead

clab had 4 clubs and was chip high read mini bully ?. and was chasing the flush.. to win holding only 4 c 2c

K c hits flush wins the hand [ what was the % of a club hitting

who had pot odds/ equity. All the huffing /bluffing, chips/ pot value ].
who had the Ace etc etc is lead up to the river.

if you play/bet / bluff with 4c 2c pre flop or after a A 10 hit your chasing a flush.

Luck or Skill ???? Skill to get $ 400 chips

new player to to table was unlucky !!! not out played... and showed his emotion on the defeat of hitting a club on the river !!!

[Caleb]

Don't forget the gutshot people. That's what I was really chasing....

[Caleb]

I can't help thinking that he discounted the thought of you having an ace because you didn't raise preflop and that's why he kept calling.

There's nothing saying you have to raise just because you have an ace, but I'm reckoning HE thought you should.

That's assuming that particular thought process actually happened.

What a tool.

New players like the ones I was playing cannot handle someone playing a hand the opposite of what they are willing to do themselves.

Exactly mate. Exactly.

[Snapple]

I dont think it's bad play at all, I love [2c 4c]. Calling the $10 on the flop is fine, with 3 runners in front of you and 1 still to act, you have implied odds for hitting your hand. With 5 runners in the pot the card that makes your hand may improve someon elses, and you may get paid off.
I would've bet the turn if it was checked to me aswell. I would rather bet and lose, knowing where I'm at than call and win, not knowing where I'm sitting in the hand. Not only that it gives you pot control aswell. Most times it will be checked to you on the river, and if you miss your draw well we leave it be.