Championship Weekend Discussion

[bennymacca]

PLO?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

SICK

on the rebuy thing though garth, i think i was confused by the fact that an addon could be bought at the break, as well as the cards being redeemed for chips

all cleared up now

you would wanna take min 80 bucks PLUS meal/drink money to make a good crack at it i reckon.

[BigPete33]

Thanks Garth, you have now explained it MUCH better than previously. I'm fairly certain that info would be needed by a large % of the players who show up, especially given that most of them probably haven't played in a rebuy tournament before.


So if we go with benny the cunt's suggestion for appropriate amount of moolah to bring.....

Allow yourself:
1) Buy-in amount of $10 + $5 ($15).
2) Enough money to stamp up the green card (maybe as much as $15???).
3) Enough money to stamp up the red card (again, might be $15).
4) $10 per rebuy that you allow yourself if needed.
5) $20 for a cash add-on at the break if you want the max available to you.

If you bust out in the 1st hour remember that you can double rebuy (gives you $2k + $2k) straight away so that'd be $20 on the spot.


On the assumption you don't have to stamp up the green card to use the red card I recommend just stamping up the red card and instead of cashing in your green card hand over $10 as soon as you sit down because it's very likely cheaper to do it that way and the money goes directly into the prize pool.

So we have $15 (buyin) + $10 (instant rebuy) + $15 (guesstimate for red card) + $20 (cash add-on) = $60 and the only money not going into the prize pool is $5 from the buyin and whatever you spent on stamping the red card.

If you bust out in the rebuy period (before 1st break) you'd be silly to not do a double rebuy for $20 so be prepared to add to the prize pool in lots of $20 if you fear losing chips early.

In summary, bring $60 at a minimum and if you end up spending over $100 make sure the players who cash come up to thank you afterwards

[Bob B]

I'm so glad you simplified it Pete LOL I like my simple approach much better. No grey areas what soever no matter where you play.

I feel sorry for the TD and later the players trying to explain to a non listening group of punters on how they can use their cards as single and double addons and also have single and double rebuys before during and or after the break??

Especially after some have had an above average drinking session (not you Pete ) just to fill their cards. Nah, as I said before "KISS" is the best for all to understand and enjoy.

Garth said

We will be launching cash buy in events shortly and we will be introducing different formats and variants over the preceeding months. So if you are confused now, wait till next year when you can pick from 6 or eight different tournament formats, or take your pick of NLHE or PLO or possibly Seven Card.

Personally I can't wait to sit at a PLO or 7 card Stud as I prefer playing those games on the net. Those games are different but are still easy to play or read up on. I like Hi/Lo omaha but it would be harder to organise unless everyone knew what they were doing.

Hopefully the confusion is not related to the buyins etc. After all it is only "Pub Poker" to have a bit of fun with our mates and help us improve our skills for the casino's isn't it??

[Garth Kay]

I'm so glad you simplified it Pete LOL I like my simple approach much better. No grey areas what soever no matter where you play.

I feel sorry for the TD and later the players trying to explain to a non listening group of punters on how they can use their cards as single and double addons and also have single and double rebuys before during and or after the break??

Especially after some have had an above average drinking session (not you Pete ) just to fill their cards. Nah, as I said before "KISS" is the best for all to understand and enjoy.

Garth said

We will be launching cash buy in events shortly and we will be introducing different formats and variants over the preceeding months. So if you are confused now, wait till next year when you can pick from 6 or eight different tournament formats, or take your pick of NLHE or PLO or possibly Seven Card.

Personally I can't wait to sit at a PLO or 7 card Stud as I prefer playing those games on the net. Those games are different but are still easy to play or read up on. I like Hi/Lo omaha but it would be harder to organise unless everyone knew what they were doing.

Hopefully the confusion is not related to the buyins etc. After all it is only "Pub Poker" to have a bit of fun with our mates and help us improve our skills for the casino's isn't it??

Market demands evolve Bob, and as much as you like to keep it simple (personally I don't see how the passports and cash rebuys are confusing for one event) the majority of the pub poker market in SA is demanding more; cash buy in's, a greater challenge, skilled opponents, other variants, different formats to chooses from, more special events, more prize money, professionally ran tournaments by experienced TD's and thus the pub poker product evolves into more than "have a bit of fun with our mates".

Steve once asked me on here where I see pub poker heading over the next five years, I answered him (think it was in the ask garth thread) and my answer was that pub poker players will want more from there tournaments in the way of a challenge. I went into great detail in that thread but here I will simply state: we will still to continue to run freeroll poker but moving forward more emphasis will be put on CBI events and our introduced new formats and variants, simply because the market dictates our evolution and I like to remain adaptable as well as innovative.

Hence why we have built a new team to lead poker in SA well into the future.

We will make an announcement on who this team is sometime next week, all of the contractors are fully aware as well.

We had a team meeting on Saturday and by now I am sure there are whispers and rumors abounding about our plans for a new competition and re structure, nothing lasts forever, products evolve and mature for a reason. And the next 12 months is going to see so much change. And the majority of players will love it.

[David]

No, I wouldn't really call it "pub poker".

That implies free poker.

[krunchie]

[quote="Garth"]And the next 12 months is going to see so much change. And the majority of players will love it.

I say bring it on

In the words of Big Kev- Im excited

[Bob B]

Hi there Garth. I'm not out for an arguement with you but more of an understanding of how I see and enjoy my game of poker.

I'm so glad you simplified it Pete LOL I like my simple approach much better. No grey areas what soever no matter where you play.

I feel sorry for the TD and later the players trying to explain to a non listening group of punters on how they can use their cards as single and double addons and also have single and double rebuys before during and or after the break??

Especially after some have had an above average drinking session (not you Pete ) just to fill their cards. Nah, as I said before "KISS" is the best for all to understand and enjoy.

Garth said

We will be launching cash buy in events shortly and we will be introducing different formats and variants over the preceeding months. So if you are confused now, wait till next year when you can pick from 6 or eight different tournament formats, or take your pick of NLHE or PLO or possibly Seven Card.

I didn't write the above quote you did Garth in reference to someone elses query.

Personally I can't wait to sit at a PLO or 7 card Stud as I prefer playing those games on the net. Those games are different but are still easy to play or read up on. I like Hi/Lo omaha but it would be harder to organise unless everyone knew what they were doing.

I did actually say that I enjoy playing cash games Garth. Even moreso than Freeroll pub poker events.

Hopefully the confusion is not related to the buyins etc. After all it is only "Pub Poker" to have a bit of fun with our mates and help us improve our skills for the casino's isn't it??

Market demands evolve Bob, and as much as you like to keep it simple (personally I don't see how the passports and cash rebuys are confusing for one event) the majority of the pub poker market in SA is demanding more; cash buy in's, a greater challenge, skilled opponents, other variants, different formats to chooses from, more special events, more prize money, professionally ran tournaments by experienced TD's and thus the pub poker product evolves into more than "have a bit of fun with our mates".

Once again I totally agree with you Garth. I believe the days of Freeroll Pub Poker in SA is and or will be over taken by the cash games. Other providers are offering those variants now and NPL's introduction to cash games here in SA are only a week away.

Although I'm only a average player with limitted funds I'm enjoying the cash games more than the freerolls. I'm still a great believer in "KISS" Keep It Simple Stupid. Mainly, because not everyone has the same understanding or interlect that you or I may have so why complicate things.

You have a great product, you have a captive audience who just want to put their money on the table and play Poker. Obviously there is also a selected market for some of us who will prefer to play high or middle stake games and enjoy playing with better players.

Steve once asked me on here where I see pub poker heading over the next five years, I answered him (think it was in the ask garth thread) and my answer was that pub poker players will want more from there tournaments in the way of a challenge. I went into great detail in that thread but here I will simply state: we will still to continue to run freeroll poker but moving forward more emphasis will be put on CBI events and our introduced new formats and variants, simply because the market dictates our evolution and I like to remain adaptable as well as innovative.

I'm happy to hear that Freeroll games are still going to be on the books as cash games won't be the get go for everyone. Totally agree with moving forward and spicing it up with different games etc.

Hence why we have built a new team to lead poker in SA well into the future.

We will make an announcement on who this team is sometime next week, all of the contractors are fully aware as well.

We had a team meeting on Saturday and by now I am sure there are whispers and rumors abounding about our plans for a new competition and re structure, nothing lasts forever, products evolve and mature for a reason. And the next 12 months is going to see so much change. And the majority of players will love it.

All of the above sounds encouraging Garth. I must say from my recent experiences that NPL are very professional in every way possible.

My concerns and comments are as always purely my personal observations as I see and hear them through my eyes and ears. How ever, I'm enjoying my cash poker moreso than my Freeroll games. Mainly because of the overall structure, the people and the skill factors appear to be better, maybe because of the cash outlay. Who Knows?:)

[AceLosesKing]

In a few years I can see the weekly freerolls gone and replaced with cash buy in events across the country. Pub poker won't be pub poker anymore, it'll be like running a home game at the pub.

[Garth Kay]

In a few years I can see the weekly freerolls gone and replaced with cash buy in events across the country. Pub poker won't be pub poker anymore, it'll be like running a home game at the pub.

My prediction is that we will eventually see a 60/40 split of CBI events compared to freeroll events. And by eventually I mean within 6 - 12 months.

Within 2 - 3 year that split might widen even further to 80/20. You will still require freeroll events to complete the farming cycle of new players through to veteran players.

Within that time frame you will also see a diversification between the CBI market, low stakes @ $10 - $20 which will become more of a social occasion to a higher stake audience which is completely about the poker and with buy ins ranging from $50 - $500.

I believe also that a regulatory body must be formed, either by local/state governments or at least by a players union to regulate these games, create codes of conducts, offer legal advice and set procedural rules for CBI's that are declared high stakes (i.e.: any game with a buy in excess of $xxx must have independant dealers and cannot be self dealt formats).

This body would look to protect players and ensure all operators and providers are acting ethically and professionally as well as investigate all claims of fraud/cheating. I would also like to see providers support this notion and this regulation to ensure everyone is protected legally and this would also help legitamise the pub poker fraternity in the eyes of all poker players. All providers found to be acting in an unethical manner or not in the best interests of the players would be added to a black list or have limitations placed on their operations.

How's that for forethought? You only have to look at NSW to see that this kind of system is required and warranted, and at a minimum I am looking to implement a players council for NPL.

[Scotty]

Back on topic - if you're not a fan of rebuy tournaments because of the wild play during the rebuy period, don't forget; you can essentially, for the cost of entry($15), 2 stamped up cards and $20, have approximately 11,000 chips in front of you after the break/add-on period - without even sitting at the table during the rebuy period.

Of course that is not really in the spirit of the game, but you could, if you wanted, sit down at the start, cash in your green passport to give you 4,000 chips, go and stand at the bar and fill your red passport over the next hour, where you'll lose (at a rough estimate) 1,000 in blinds.

At the break - you hand over a stamped up red passport, and $20, which will add 8,000 chips to your stack.

End result - 11,000 chips without playing a hand in the rebuy period.

Now of course, I'm joking about spending the entire hour at the bar - but you can achieve the same thing by sitting down and folding every hand in the first hour.