Double December Points???

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Re: Double December Points???

Postby Goose » Sat Nov 22, 2008 9:17 am

steve b wrote:I have read this post with great interest, firstly I would like to say welcome back to the forum to Garth I think we have all been missing your posts, but not nearly as much as we miss you here in SA.

Garth in response to your question, my problem is with both how players have been notified and the promotion itself, not that it will change how I play my season; I don’t want to complain about the promotion I just wish to provide my feedback in a constructive manner.

I think its wrong that a promotion, that may change the outcome of the season be introduced mid season without players being notified via the website before the season commenced.

I cannot think of any competition, be it amateur / fun, or professional where such a promotion has occurred without prior knowledge being provided to its competitors before the commencement of the competition.

I have not researched how the crown casino keeps its players informed of its double points tournaments however I am sure that the players would have been informed prior to the seasons commencement of such events occurring.

I find it a little disheartening to find out about double points December on a forum posted by a player, rather than from the organization that is actually running the league.

I often wonder why npl do not use this forum to run these ideas by a body of its players before deciding to implement them. I understand that Npl is a company that exists to make a profit and therefore changes being made are going to be based more along a company perspective than the players point of view, however it would make good sense to find out what the players think since its free easy information for Npl to obtain.

I have read a lot of comments about consistent players not being affected by double points being on offer. I play a regular venue each week that has 20 - 30 runners on average. If I am 2nd after 6 weeks I will have 120 points after 6 games to get myself in a position to qualify for states, having placed in 5 out of the 6 games, a fairly consistent effort.

I may have to miss 1 or maybe 2 of the double points December games at my venue due to family commitments over Christmas. Someone who played once earlier in the season at my venue has 32 points, they may be able to play the last 3 weeks and catch me with 2 decent placing. We will both be as consistent as each other however one of us has had to be so over a longer period of time and will still miss out due to the double points on offer.

The whole idea of double points December is to keep numbers up at venues late in the season as they may have a chance of cracking the venue top 5.

So therefore the players that stand to benefit from it the most, are likely to be players that have not played as much in the first 7 weeks of the season, I fail to see how this benefits those players that have been playing a majority of the season, be it at one venue, or chasing the state leader board.

I am not chasing it this season but there is a prize on offer for players that manage to rank in the top 10 at the end of the season. It would be a shame to see the top 10 being altered by a change in point’s structure mid season

I think this is a combination of bad timing, with Christmas rapidly approaching and a promotion that players really should have been informed of prior to the season commencing, also I don’t see the sense in having a situation available where a player can play less and be rewarded for it.

Double points at the end of the season no matter what time of the year, will mean that good players will play a lot less at the start of the season and play a lot of games in the last three weeks to qualify via the state leader board.

I think Npl is better served with promotions such as entry to a satellite tournys for players that win a event or even make it to anyone that finishes on a final table, whatever promotion you run to keep numbers up at the end of the season, I don’t think it should have the power to change the outcome of the whole season.


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Re: Double December Points???

Postby BigPete33 » Sat Nov 22, 2008 9:41 am

Welcome back Garth!

Some great comments coming out now, keep it up guys.

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Re: Double December Points???

Postby madali » Sat Nov 22, 2008 10:37 am

Again the NPL shows there lack of support for the country members. First we have finals that are held consistantly in the same areas whcih results in long travel times for country people. Then the suggestion is made that finals be held over 2 days ensuring if country people do attend they need to pay for accomodation to attend (so much for free poker). Then we have a points system which again is geared to areas of larger population. Just a suggestion how about paying points to the top 10 %. For example if there are 30 people 3 get points if there are 200 20 get points. I suppose this suggestion will never be looked at as it just might give country people an even playing field with consistant players in with a chance. Now double points making it near on impossible for those country players who do manage to sneak into the top 10 to do so this season.
Come on NPL how about supporting country people or if not change your name to melbourne poker legue.

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Re: Double December Points???

Postby Garth Kay » Sat Nov 22, 2008 10:50 am

Madali: How does creating a points system based around ten percent of the field create a level playing field?

How is the playing field not level at the moment? Regional areas will always be deprived of the selection of events as well as the population bases of a metro region.

To say that we display a lack of support for regional areas is disgraceful. We try to offer as much as we can to the players that play in a region with less events and less players. We try to maintain as many regional areas as possible and often not at a profit. Granted regional players have a much more difficult time in partaking of our larger events, but the majority of NPL players are located in Metro areas, almost 60% of them, the other 40% are dispersed throughout regional areas.

Now to be fair to the majority of our players what do we have to do?

The comments made at the Victorian Finals was based around a concept we have. Rather than one event on a Sunday we would hold multiple events, including Satellites, teams event etc... over a whole weekend as well as try and create a deepstacked state finals main event.

Of all regional qualifiers for finals or satellites only 45 - 55% attend the events. I am hoping by creating a weekend of poker events and offer more to players over this period of time we will see more regional qualifiers attend these events as well as bring fellow non qualifiers to play in the side events.

Accommodation is a concern obviously but we will try and source cheper accommodation packages for NPL members.


How would you like to see us support regional members above and beyond what we currently do?
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Re: Double December Points???

Postby Todd Rivers » Sat Nov 22, 2008 10:18 pm

Goose wrote:MMMMMMMMMMMMMM Interesting

So next season if it continues all i have to do is play the last 5 weeks and jag the points and im home

So my plan would be
Instead of spending $25-$30 every night i play to stamp up. The first 5 weeks I would be better playing at the Casino or online for cash. $30 online tourney could pick me up a few grand.
Then return for the last month and pick up double points to make the finals



You are obviously too good for everyone else.

Giving them 5 weeks headstart like that. :D

We've constantly had stories of people just missing ONE game that cost them the Top 5. eg Finishing 6th after playing 9 games and being less than 10 points behind 5th.

Why don't you try it? I bet you don't even get close!

This arguement/discussion is gonna go on till next season, until we have seen the aftermath of its implementation.

Good or bad, its interesting is it not?

NPL will keep evolving and diversifying as the market sees fit.

Change is good, but many people fear change. Just go with it.

Its brought about a fair discussion on here and thats gotta be good! :)
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Re: Double December Points???

Postby Todd Rivers » Sat Nov 22, 2008 10:27 pm

You guys are just lucky none of my suggestions get implemented.

I wanted to have "Joker January" where we throw 2 jokers in as wildcards to every pack. :lol: "

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Re: Double December Points???

Postby Matt Porter » Sun Nov 23, 2008 2:25 am

Todd Rivers wrote:"Ha, I beat you with my 6 of a kind!" :D

Gold! :lol:

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Re: Double December Points???

Postby Bob B » Sun Nov 23, 2008 2:22 pm

Todd Rivers wrote:You guys are just lucky none of my suggestions get implemented.

I wanted to have "Joker January" where we throw 2 jokers in as wildcards to every pack. :lol: "

" I've got a Royal Flush"
"Ha, I beat you with my 6 of a kind!" :D


Wow, your so right about the thread being openly discussed with only one slight repremand is gold too.

I now this has probably been said before but I really think it's eerie that you Todd RIVERS as being an NPL TD for the RVERLAND!!!!!!

Yeah, I know it's dumb, but I just realised the connection. I suppose that's why I have a DRY sense of humour and try to chanel my thoughts and ideas to some of the drips I know on here, LOL
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Re: Double December Points???

Postby Todd Rivers » Sun Nov 23, 2008 7:48 pm

Bob B wrote: I have a DRY sense of humour and try to chanel my thoughts and ideas


Yes Bob, well said. Your thoughts and ideas are stinky and you should use chanel #5 :lol:

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And I've heard em all b4! :D
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Re: Double December Points???

Postby Bob B » Mon Nov 24, 2008 9:36 pm

Todd Rivers wrote:
Bob B wrote: I have a DRY sense of humour and try to chanel my thoughts and ideas


Yes Bob, well said. Your thoughts and ideas are stinky and you should use chanel #5 :lol:

ITS CHANNEL

And I've heard em all b4! :D

Go cry me a river ............... LOL

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