Feedback on playing ability

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Re: Feedback on playing ability

Postby AceLosesKing » Fri Aug 15, 2008 12:28 am

Nevah play JJ wrote:Hi and thanks all for your answers.

Everything you all said is really good.

Pete: One of the things you said was be specific, so here are the areas I would kill to know about from the get go

Facial expressions, or tells?
What do I do that is predictable?
How do you get past fear of calling?

I have had positon play explained a gazzillion times, but honestly, I just don't get it.

I guess the basics to begin is awesome, but to a degree it isn't as simple as posting a senario on the forums to get feedback
However sometimes it is..

I honestly don't play online, because I don't get the same feel for the game, but live is so much more different.

I guess I just want to improve my game beginning from the basics.

Thanks again for the help.


I'll just save Pete the trouble here. As he said, unless he has sat down and watched you play through the entire tournament, he won't be able to tell you how to improve your game, and what your tells are, etc. I doubt anyone but Rebecca has played enough with you to help you improve your game. Like everyone said, ask your friends.
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Re: Feedback on playing ability

Postby Nevah play JJ » Fri Aug 15, 2008 3:00 am

Hey ya AK... :)
My original question was
Where do you go to get help with what I want to learn and how do you find the place that doesn't cost an arm and a leg.

I honestly didn't expect anyone to have the answers to my playing style in a forums section.. LOL

But thanks for the answer

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Re: Feedback on playing ability

Postby AceLosesKing » Fri Aug 15, 2008 3:11 am

Nevah play JJ wrote:Hey ya AK... :)
My original question was
Where do you go to get help with what I want to learn and how do you find the place that doesn't cost an arm and a leg.

I honestly didn't expect anyone to have the answers to my playing style in a forums section.. LOL

But thanks for the answer

:)


Alrighty - to be honest, I didn't read your original question, just this one. Hmm... I wouldn't know where to go, but there are poker tutors, workshops, etc. Garth might have a good idea - or Google :P
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Re: Feedback on playing ability

Postby Nevah play JJ » Fri Aug 15, 2008 3:16 am

Nahh
your right
But I figured this would be one of the best places to start to find out.

I do appreciate you answering.. :)
you little bubble of happiness... ;)
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Re: Feedback on playing ability

Postby rcon » Fri Aug 15, 2008 11:30 am

AceLosesKing wrote:but there are poker tutors, workshops, etc. Garth might have a good idea - or Google :P
I do believe the idea of a "poker boot camp" was mooted on here some time ago. I don't believe anything ever happened, but there was a fair amount of support for it :D
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Re: Feedback on playing ability

Postby bennymacca » Fri Aug 15, 2008 11:51 am

rcon wrote:
AceLosesKing wrote:but there are poker tutors, workshops, etc. Garth might have a good idea - or Google :P
I do believe the idea of a "poker boot camp" was mooted on here some time ago. I don't believe anything ever happened, but there was a fair amount of support for it :D


maybe the poker school DVDs are the substitute for this :D
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Re: Feedback on playing ability

Postby Origami » Fri Aug 15, 2008 11:58 am

Nevah play JJ wrote:Hey ya AK... :)
My original question was
Where do you go to get help with what I want to learn and how do you find the place that doesn't cost an arm and a leg.

I honestly didn't expect anyone to have the answers to my playing style in a forums section.. LOL

But thanks for the answer

:)


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Re: Feedback on playing ability

Postby Brett Kay » Fri Aug 15, 2008 1:36 pm

Nevah play JJ wrote:Hi and thanks all for your answers.

Everything you all said is really good.

Pete: One of the things you said was be specific, so here are the areas I would kill to know about from the get go

Facial expressions, or tells?


Facial expressions or movements can give a simple indication of strength. The best way of identifying this is next time at a home game, set up a video camera on your face, and when the game is over, go through it and see which hands were good, what your face did, when hands are bad what did your face do.

The other side is to ask your mates that play against you. I know we are all after the points and prizes. But we all need to improve our game somehow, and if they feel threatened about it then you just have to work out what can you do, to improve your game and stick it back at them.


Nevah play JJ wrote:[color=#0000BF]What do I do that is predictable?

Same above with the video camera, when replaying the hand, do you always beat three times the big blind with certain hands. Do you always pause before putting chips out when you have a weak hand. Do you stall and chat when you know your ahead. Small things like that.


Nevah play JJ wrote:[color=#0000BF]How do you get past fear of calling?

This is my new catch phrase. "Embrace the Variance"
This is a combination question. download www.pokerstove.com it is a hand equity calculator. We know Aces are 75% favourite over any random two cards. But as we play against other players we can narrow down the hand ranges. E.g we know Tim only plays AA-10,10 Ak-A10 and Suited connectors to 89, 910.10j,jq,qk

Using pokerstove you can input that hand range and see that now you are possibly an 85% favourite. So now you have to think, i have the better hand, reevaluate on the flop. And then see how his hand range compares to the flop. If he bets, then you have to consider the call or raise, or if you feel like he has you fold.

But being an 85% favourite means out of 10 hands, you will lose 2. But think about the long term, you will win more money than lose.

Once you realise that you will get more money off the player long term, sometimes the call or reraise is a better play and if you lose, just think that you might have lost, but are still better off.

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Nevah play JJ wrote:[color=#0000BF]I have had positon play explained a gazzillion times, but honestly, I just don't get it.


Look at the number of people behind you yet to act. The more there are, the better starting hands you want and the less times you will raise. The less there are, the looser the starting hand requirments and the more times you want to raise.

so on a table you have Dealer, SB, BB, UTG, UTG+1, MP1, MP2, Cutoff.

UTG, UTG+1 - You want to be playing quite tight, Raise with your AA.KK,QQ And fold a lot of hands. Usually with the high pairs on a loose table, you will be opting for a call then reraise to the raiser. On a tight table you will open raise with these kinds of hands.

MP1,MP2, - This is where your limpy hands can come in. and also opening to include pairs, Ak-A10. So with you UTG and UTG+1 hands you will open raise.
With your new set of starting hands, you will be calling, and fold to hefty raises.

Cutoff and Dealer - This is where you will be raising to steal blinds, raising big hands to get value, unless everyone ahead has called, then you will be raising for value. Keep them in, and pray they miss and don't get lucky.

SB and BB - Play your relative card strengths, very similar to UTG and UTG+1 - But any raises before hand means you have the pot odds to consider.

Same token in this position, if you have a drawing hand your in bad position. You lead out the betting, so a lot of the time will be check call, or check raise lines, unless on soft tables then it will be raise - call, or raise - fold lines.


Nevah play JJ wrote:[color=#0000BF]I guess the basics to begin is awesome, but to a degree it isn't as simple as posting a senario on the forums to get feedback
However sometimes it is..

I honestly don't play online, because I don't get the same feel for the game, but live is so much more different.

I guess I just want to improve my game beginning from the basics.

Thanks again for the help.


Hope it helps. Starting from the basics is hard, a lot of the time, you know stuff but trying to forget it is harder than it seems. Online is good, because you can get the basic maths and still try and work out what people are playing off, and because you get a lot of hands in small period of time, it means you can stop and go back and analyse it all later and think what could have been a better play.

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Re: Feedback on playing ability

Postby BigPete33 » Fri Aug 15, 2008 5:36 pm

What Brett and AK said.

But I'm still betting you've not watched the DVD the whole way through :P

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Re: Feedback on playing ability

Postby Chelsea4thewin » Fri Aug 15, 2008 6:03 pm

i dont really think people would have a facial tell/tick that gives them information into JJ's hand strength (however i have never played against her), the biggest tell is probably her betting patterns as is with most new players of the game, i.e. raise 3x the blinds everytime with A,K etc

I will give u the link to a great series of videos on youtube by Mike Caro based on his famous book of tells, this might be a mistake in posting this because it may get people thinking differently when they play lol, just ask pete i have the best poker face ever, turn on poker face .....NOW haha

p.s. the videos are a bit old and lame but most still relate to no-limit holdem

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeyglBBYqtE

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