Deepstack Poll

[bennymacca]

the whold pocket aces thing also depends on how many runners are in the hand.

i.e ur in the BB, UTG goes all in, gets 6 callers, and u look down at AA - instafold in my opinion.

even though it is a big +ev situation, you would still be less than 50% overall to have your aces hold up - not worth the risk at the start of the tournament.

however if it gets folded to the SB and they go all in, then you would have your chips in there so fast it would make the other players head spin.

edit: ondie pretty much said it as well

[Scotty]

OK, take the preflop all-in out of the equation.

First hand, on the button, you're dealt . Folds around to MP, who raises to 300.

Folds to you, and you re-raise to 1000. Blinds fold, and the action is back on MP. He re-raises to 4000. You flat call.

Pot is now 8075.

Flop comes down;

A)
B)
C)

For each flop let's say MP, who is first to act, fires out 10k.

How would you play it from here?

[bennymacca]

i reckon you would fold in all but the last case

with a reraise, you would narrow his hand range down to AAKKQQ or possibly AK or JJ, but not as likely.

that makes situation A a definite fold
situation B - bloody tough
situation C - probably call, he's not gonna have QJ, probably something like JJ or AK suited

but you are right, that complicates things a lot more

[bennymacca]

also, preflop it might be worth pushing instead of calling the raise to 4K

thats when you know you are ahead

[Scotty]

There are obviously a heap of other moves/possibilities. I was just putting forward a scenario that didn't involve all the chips going in preflop, and the action was forced in front of you.

[bennymacca]

There are obviously a heap of other moves/possibilities. I was just putting forward a scenario that didn't involve all the chips going in preflop, and the action was forced in front of you.

yeah i know, and you make a good point - it becomes less trivial when boards like that come out.

i was just saying what i would probably do, and seeing if people agree with that

[rcon]

also, preflop it might be worth pushing instead of calling the raise to 4K

thats when you know you are ahead

Yup. You'd have to think that 4075 was enough chips to be satisfied with for the hand, so why not try and take it down there and then? - you're hand's value is only going to go down from there, unless you flop something extraordinary.

And as for what you'd do in each situation, I'm pretty much with benny the cunt.

and serves you right for being greedy with the flat call

[Ondie J]

Does make life very hard. I think I'd be 50/50 in (b) & (c) on the first hand and would hope that I was paying close attention to the player as soon as he raised and everyone else folded.

[Scotty]

Yup. You'd have to think that 4075 was enough chips to be satisfied with for the hand, so why not try and take it down there and then? - you're hand's value is only going to go down from there, unless you flop something extraordinary.

and serves you right for being greedy with the flat call

The idea was to take an all in push out of the equation, and also to have the villain out of position but forcing the action.

I'll spin it around so that YOU raise to 300 from the button, get re-raised to 1000 from the BB villain, and then YOU re-raise to 4000.

Villain flat calls your raise. Villain is first to act post flop, and follows what I wrote initially.

[David]

The 10k bet from him/her makes me wonder what they hold. If it's two pair, or a flopped set - I think it's a large bet (pot sized basically).. when they would possibly trap.

If they hold AK of spades, the third one is interesting. And AK in the first one would mean flopped trips, leaving you basically three outs.

The reraise to 4000 from the reraise to 1000 makes me think AK suited or AA, KK or QQ.

If they fire a bet of 10k out after the flop with KK6 rainbow, I'd wonder if they hold a king.

I don't know, it's hard. It's one of those hands you should win, but probably won't. You still only have one pair (apart from the KK giving you 2 pair) when the average winning hand is two pair.