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Re: Stuey MacGill retires

Postby David » Mon Jun 02, 2008 5:29 pm

Bacon wrote:The Gatting ball was a spinner, early in Warne's career. I'm pretty sure it was Stuey's 200th that spun more than that ball.


How much you spin a ball is not how good you are as a spin bowler.
Just as, how fast you are doesn't say how good of a fast bowler you are.
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Re: Stuey MacGill retires

Postby AceLosesKing » Mon Jun 02, 2008 5:31 pm

Macgill was a good bowler, but to say he's better than Warne is like trying to say trips beat a full house.
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Re: Stuey MacGill retires

Postby David » Mon Jun 02, 2008 5:32 pm

AceLosesKing wrote:Macgill was a good bowler, but to say he's better than Warne is like trying to say trips beat a full house.


They do if you have the boat Aaron ;)
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Re: Stuey MacGill retires

Postby Bacon » Mon Jun 02, 2008 5:33 pm

I love this argument.

The stats tell the story. MacGill got wickets quicker, giving our quality batsmen more time to make more runs. End of story.
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Re: Stuey MacGill retires

Postby David » Mon Jun 02, 2008 5:36 pm

Far from the end of the story :)

The story I read, ends with "Bacon loses."

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You'll find Tim May took plenty of wickets when playing with Warne - so many times the batsmen would attack May because he was "easier" and therefore, often get out. I'm pretty sure Warne and May were very close wicket for wicket when they played in the same team.


Ergo, I say that the amount of wickets is irrelevant.
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Re: Stuey MacGill retires

Postby Bacon » Mon Jun 02, 2008 5:39 pm

What's that, they are lauding McGrath for being the 2nd most wicket taker in the IPL? And Watson for being the 4th most?

Why aren't they reporting who was the most economical bowler, or the best strike rate? Because it is WICKETS that bowlers are paid for.

Damien Martyn managed to keep a batting spot, even if a snail could score faster.. it was the amount that matters, not the way you go about it.

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Re: Stuey MacGill retires

Postby David » Mon Jun 02, 2008 5:46 pm

Oh, Please don't bring the IPL into a debate about REAL cricket! PLEASE!

The IRL is about money. It's about glamour. It's about coloured uniforms and helmets that look like the macaroni I sprayed with gold paint in junior primary school. Glamour is "large amounts". Runs and wickets. Simple. It looks cool.

Believe me, with cricket fans, the strike rate and average come into play a lot when talking about the quality of someone.

And to compare batsmen with bowlers is just plain silly as well. Damien Martin wasn't overly slow. He built an innings around a sensible style and solid defense. In fact it was the way he "went about it" that ensured his place in the side.

A small handful of people in the worlds might agree with you. But, the rest won't. Including the selectors who test after test and series after series put Warne in the team before MacGill. Surely that counts for something.

Numbers and stats are only part of a story, nowhere near the entire book though. Watching the games tells you a rich description of what a bowler is, and their value. How many games you turn, how many times you come on and get a wicket right at that crucial moment. The frustration you give batsmen, and that "X" factor that adds to much intangibility to the result.

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Re: Stuey MacGill retires

Postby David » Mon Jun 02, 2008 5:46 pm

I seriously should ban you for bringing the IPL in to this Marc. I honestly thought better of you.



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Re: Stuey MacGill retires

Postby Bacon » Mon Jun 02, 2008 5:51 pm

At least you know better now.

You've put up a good argument. Shame you are wrong :P

The selectors continue to pick Shane Watson too. Touche.
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Re: Stuey MacGill retires

Postby Bacon » Mon Jun 02, 2008 5:51 pm

Bacon wrote:At least you know better now.

You've put up a good argument. Shame you are wrong :P

The selectors continue to pick Shane Watson too. Touche.


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