NPL needs an overhaul

[gundog]

I'm pretty much happy with the current setup, my beef is TD's who modify the rules ie bad beats comming back with more than 1500 and 2nd break draw backs with 4000.

However like its been suggested if venue isnt happy the the likelyhood of poker continuing in slim.

A session at most venues I play at usually finishes between 11 and 1130, which start at 730.

If you insist we start with a larger stack, then perhaps we start with 2 or 3000, but drop the 25/50 and the 50/100 blinds and start straight up with 100/200 blinds.

1st session blinds
100/200
200/400

2nd session
300/600
400/800
500/1000

3rd session
1000/2000
and so on

passport cards worth 2000.

Draws for chip ups and returns @ 1st break 2000 for chip up and the return players joins with a stack equal to the lowest stack on the table he/she joins.
The ratio set at 1 draw for each 10 players registered with a maximum of 50% allocated for chip ups, ie 48 player 5 draws ( 2 returns 3 chip ups )

2nd break
Same amount of draws but depending on the number of seat available how the distribution of returns and chipups would be calculated ie 4 tables still in play with 3 empty chairs (3 drawbacks and 2 chipups)

Bad Beat table winner returns to the 1st available seat starting with table 1 if no seat available then table 2 and so on until the player is seated. The player returns with a stack equal to the lowest stack on the table he/she joins.

[bennymacca]

But what happens when the blinds are 50/100 and you have AK. You raise to 400. 600 left. Flop is 247, continuation bet all in as there was at least 1 caller and the pot is 600. i caller has AJ hits a jack or something on the river and your night is over. You've played that hand pretty well but as it happens you lose.

if you are so short stacked, why would you c-bet? if you get called, then thats your problem.

dont blame the chips for not letting you play a style you would like, change your game to suit the amount of chips you have.

when you win a few pots, and have a few more chips, then you can continuation bet, but why risk your tournament on a bluff?

with 1000 chips, why not raise to 300, and check/fold when you miss? if you have 3000 in the same spot, then by all means bet away.

this really is a do-as-i-say thing, as i am very guilty of this myself dug

I CANT LAY HANDS DOWN LIKE THAT without trying to win the pot, (ask darren, he will tell you), but this is my fault, and not the chips. players like you and me dug that like the c-bet just have to be more disciplined when the stacks are shorter.

[Origami]

[quote="Grant Pepper"]Last night
add more at a later date. ...
I hope everyone is enjoying there poker with NPL,

YES I am certainly enjoying my participation in all aspects of SA NPL Pokering.. and if not help us here on this forum, to find were else NPL might need to look into.

No matter how NPL develops or changes, someone will always never be quite happy with everything. Hopefully for them we can adopt something in between. end Grant Pepper quote }.

... having input from staff from their side of the table has strenghtened my support of the existing routines here in SA.
Congratulations to Dug on his use and input to this thread to suggest adjustments to an already strong product that Garth and his Team are developing.
... Tweaking of existing routines is certainly possible and I read with interest the proposed <25 venue player adjustments
... As a day one player now in my fourth season [ remember NPLSA is not even twelve months old ]. I enjoy the challege of developing my game .. more chips shorter breaks more tourneys ie Deep Stack , another Sky City quailfier Event and the Regional Finals all enhance my involement with NPLSA roll on.. ??

Why would NPL recruit Garth back to Melb/ Sydney if SA was not a strong and sound entity.... sounds like they need him to catch them up to SA !!

ps just read gun dogs psot like it but remember 25/50/100 chips are all relative to 100/500/1000chips starting stack & the blinds used.

:::::...my 2 cent worth of support the existing routines and policies NAH lets raise it to 10 cents worth

[pokermad]

iam happy with the blind structure i always get my 2 cards stamped and hardly ever cash them in until after the first break so the blind level isnt a problem maybe people shldnt play so loose but i would like to see a trophy for venue champion after every 10 weeks

[maccatak11]

Yeah i agree with poker mad here. doesn't have to be much but another way to reduce the (albeit small) dropoff for players who have cemented top 5 spots, or for those who are top 5 at multiple venues might be to offer a venue winning prize at the end of 10 weeks.

15 minute blind levels for the first 3 would also be good, with the addition of a 400/800 level. no change in tourney length, but i think the jump between 300/600 and 500/1000 is the hardest to overcome. what do people think?

[Grant Pepper]

I mucked up a earlier post. Bad beat winner gets $2000.

I like the idea of giving 1st at the venue a little something for finishing on top a venue. Great one!

[Dug]

bennymacca - i agree continue bets arent always the best, especially when you get dumb callers who get lucky. You say i have to adapt my poker play to suit the amount of chips i have. However like i've said before that is not developing my game. raise, re-raise becomes worthless unless its big enough to scare them, which means all in 1000. The best i could do is check or call and hope i have the best hand at the end. Thats baby poker.
I can appreciate people play for fun, i do but everyone is also there to win.

Avoiding the drop off, of players towards the end of season wont help if you introduce a venue prize for first because top 5-10 are going to be competing anyway. Its for people who are bottom table who dont turn up. The question is why dont they? Its because if they cant reach top 5 whats the point of competing NPL when you only get 1000 chips, whats the point of spending money stamping up when i can go elsewhere and get 4000 starting stack.

How can NPL change that:

Proposal - Every tournament winner gets to play off in a regional final. I know country regions already get one top 100 or so. But have each metro region all having a regional final EG. NW, NE, CBD etc. Offer a prize pool of $1500 or whatever and at least then you get participation from all players all the time aiming to win a tourney. Then maybe you'll get more people playing NPL during the week at other venues trying to get a regional seat. Lifting venue numbers, participation, membership etc. Up to NPL about affordability but i'm sure certain things can be tweaked.

[rcon]

Proposal - Every tournament winner gets to play off in a regional final.

I don't know about that one Dug - wouldn't that just encourage people to play a smash and grab game? I would have thought it was best to implement a scheme where people are rewarded for consistent play?

Something like double points in 2nd half of season might be a slightly more subtle way to do it perhaps? Keeps people from lower down the leader boards coming in, but doesn't disturb the peace too much.

[bennymacca]

Something like double points in 2nd half of season might be a slightly more subtle way to do it perhaps? Keeps people from lower down the leader boards coming in, but doesn't disturb the peace too much.

this would make the first 5 weeks redundant, BAD IDEA. i think changing the leaderboard, is the worst thing that can happen. having things like regional

Proposal - Every tournament winner gets to play off in a regional final.

i dont mind it, but i think this is when a sky city or similar promotion should be run - that definitely keeps the players coming back

bennymacca - i agree continue bets arent always the best, especially when you get dumb callers who get lucky. You say i have to adapt my poker play to suit the amount of chips i have. However like i've said before that is not developing my game. raise, re-raise becomes worthless unless its big enough to scare them, which means all in 1000. The best i could do is check or call and hope i have the best hand at the end. Thats baby poker.
I can appreciate people play for fun, i do but everyone is also there to win.

i agree that its pretty hard to raise/reraise when u start off with 1000. so just play ultra tight, or pick your spot to push when u have a good hand. then when you have built your stack, then some more advanced plays can be made.

in addition, you will never stop dumb callers. as soon as i start realising that, i will play state finals again, but its not happening at the moment!

[rcon]

Something like double points in 2nd half of season might be a slightly more subtle way to do it perhaps? Keeps people from lower down the leader boards coming in, but doesn't disturb the peace too much.

this would make the first 5 weeks redundant, BAD IDEA. i think changing the leaderboard, is the worst thing that can happen. having things like regional

I don't actually like the idea myself - but it may help drive numbers in the latter half of the season.

i agree that its pretty hard to raise/reraise when u start off with 1000. so just play ultra tight, or pick your spot to push when u have a good hand. then when you have built your stack, then some more advanced plays can be made.

in addition, you will never stop dumb callers. as soon as i start realising that, i will play state finals again, but its not happening at the moment!

So the opportunity to make the advanced plays depends on you having gotten lucky enough earlier (to stop you being blinded out) to be dealt a hand worth pushing on AND having that hand hit. Then you need to have your advanced play go right, because you've only got enough chips to make one "move" (I'm not referring to all-in here). Thats the bit I don't like.