888PL Ruling

[Daizee]

Heads up to the river, 'Player A' first to act check raises 'Player B' ALL IN and gets snap called, before realizing how much 'Player A' had, 'Player B' announces "Oh, i thought it was 'X' amount, can i still take it back?" The table was sure he had to call as both bets were made verbal.

Anywho, we decided to get a ruling on the matter .. the ruling was received as "It was an honest mistake as the 'Blue 5k chips' look similiar to the 'Black 100 chips'". So 'Player B' was able to take back what he thought 'Player A' went ALL IN with.

Never knew there were honest mistakes in poker, had this happened at crown i know he wouldn't of got the chips back, he was a mate of mine so it didn't really bother me at all.

Just curious to know whether or not it was the correct ruling.

Cheers.

[bennymacca]

the correct ruling is that the call will stand and it is the players responsibility to check how much a player has.

BUT

i believe (and garth will probably tell you) that TCs can make a ruling that they believe to be in the spirit of the game regardless of the actual rules, and so may allow said player to take their money back if it was an honest mistake (especially if the chip stacks were untidy etc)

so i dont really see a problem with the TC ruling either way in this case

[Daizee]

thanks benny the cunt

[Garth Kay]

Honest mistake = gross misunderstanding.

If the player does not have chips stacked and each denomination in a separate stack with large denominations in front there should be no confusion. And considering how close blue and black can be in some venues there can be misunderstandings.

I think it is a fair warning but the calling player would still be warned about ensuring he knows the amount he is calling.

In a casino room, with dealers and lighting I would enforce the call.

[666HARPS666]

But would player B still have to leave what he thought the bet was, or could he take back his chips ?

[Jav1000]

To be honest, the call should have stood and it's a valuable lesson learnt for the caller.

What happens next time it occurs to someone else???

Do they get the same ruling???

Would same ruling been given if it was final table???


P.S. FYI Harps

[Garth Kay]

But would player B still have to leave what he thought the bet was, or could he take back his chips ?

He would be forced to call an amount the he thought the was the call.

This is a contentious issue though, I imagining that the black chips were on top of the blue chips resempling one stack of black.
If they were clearly separated then I would enforce a call for the total amount.

There is no way he gets to take back the call entirely.

[Garth Kay]

To be honest, the call should have stood and it's a valuable lesson learnt for the caller.

What happens next time it occurs to someone else???

Do they get the same ruling???

Would same ruling been given if it was final table???


P.S. FYI Harps

Rulings differ on the circumstances, and based on the information supplied at this time I am happy with the ruling that was made.

[Daizee]

'Player A' stack was 1x Blue 1x Purple 2x Black .. hence 'Player B' thinking 'Player A' had 800 in chips... hence 'Player B' placing a 1x Yellow which was return to him after the ruling.

[Bob B]

I had a nasty experience at the Crown during the last Grand Final. It was very early in the tournament and I raised preflop with a middle pair. I was reraised by the BB and decided to call and see the flop.

The flop had 2 over cards and 2 diamonds so I bet $250 and he verbally reraised me saying "reraise to five" I put out the extra $250 thinking he meant $500 only to be told by the dealer he'd reraised me to $5,000!!

The dealer said it was obvious I didn't look at the chip colour or question the amount so he made the ruling to either fold and lose the $500 or call the $5,000.

I chose to lose the $500 and made certain of the all the betting amounts from that point on. I guess it was like a get out of jail card for $500 as the dealer or player could have insisted I make the $5,000 call.