Beat/Vent Thread

[Garth Kay]

The more I think about this, the more it does my head in.....Shoving preflop with 15BB, 4 left with 2 getting top prize....REALLY????

Yes, really. It is the correct play. Even with 20BB I am recommending open shipping with QQ,

Yes, QQ maybe, but none of us had QQ.....

Sorry, that was meant to read AQ.

Jo,

I have noticed more and more that players are afraid of getting drawn out on, the fact remains that sometimes you need to get aggressive and gamble up.

The first true thing I learnt about poker was this: "the spots where you are closest to losing the hand, are the spots where you will make the most amount of money".

I am just saying at times (especialy with less than 30BB stacks) it's not about post flop play or trying to stay in a little longer, it's about using fold equity and or calling ranges to your advantage to gamble it up and hopefully find yourself in a better position.

benny the cunt,

You are heading into the realms of ICM, just be aware that your logic may be out of reach for some.

[bennymacca]

garth has hit the nail on the head (as usual), its about maintaining your fold equity.

[JMACK007]

Ok guys, I understand what you mean. But fact remains I was never going allin in this hand with K9 until I hit trips on the turn. The normal turn of events on this hand would be Harps raising pre and me folding. As played, I still think I was unlucky to have lost it......

The first true thing I learnt about poker was this: "the spots where you are closest to losing the hand, are the spots where you will make the most amount of money".

Garth, that is definitely the case in this hand....

[madali]

Ok this is why I never slow play anything. I know I suck but hey they let me

Full Tilt Poker Game #26219237971: $4 + $0.40 Rush On Demand (203435242), Table 20 - 60/120 - No Limit Hold'em - 06:10:24 ET - 2010/12/08
Seat 1: girlz_got_nutz (6,528)
Seat 2: sparey2797 (6,500)
Seat 3: Esansar (3,280)
Seat 4: Centro1 (2,175)
Seat 5: mamamucker (6,490)
Seat 6: hockeydad021 (1,320)
Seat 7: catalinbagu (3,550)
Seat 8: Ivanekster (3,480)
Seat 9: FauxLo (3,060)
sparey2797 posts the small blind of 60
Esansar posts the big blind of 120
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to girlz_got_nutz [2d 2s]
Centro1 folds
mamamucker folds
hockeydad021 folds
catalinbagu folds
Ivanekster folds
FauxLo calls 120
girlz_got_nutz calls 120
sparey2797 calls 60
Esansar checks
*** FLOP *** [9d 9s 5d]
sparey2797 checks
Esansar checks
FauxLo checks
girlz_got_nutz bets 360
sparey2797 calls 360
Esansar folds
FauxLo calls 360
*** TURN *** [9d 9s 5d] [3s]
sparey2797 checks
FauxLo checks
girlz_got_nutz checks
*** RIVER *** [9d 9s 5d 3s] [2c]
sparey2797 bets 720
FauxLo raises to 1,440
girlz_got_nutz calls 1,440
sparey2797 has 15 seconds left to act
sparey2797 raises to 6,020, and is all in
FauxLo calls 1,140, and is all in
girlz_got_nutz calls 4,580
*** SHOW DOWN ***
sparey2797 shows [Ad 9c] three of a kind, Nines
girlz_got_nutz shows [2d 2s] a full house, Twos full of Nines
girlz_got_nutz wins the side pot (6,880) with a full house, Twos full of Nines
FauxLo mucks
girlz_got_nutz wins the main pot (9,300) with a full house, Twos full of Nines
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 16,180 Main pot 9,300. Side pot 6,880. | Rake 0
Board: [9d 9s 5d 3s 2c]
Seat 1: girlz_got_nutz (button) showed [2d 2s] and won (16,180) with a full house, Twos full of Nines
Seat 2: sparey2797 (small blind) showed [Ad 9c] and lost with three of a kind, Nines
Seat 3: Esansar (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: Centro1 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: mamamucker didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: hockeydad021 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: catalinbagu didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: Ivanekster didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: FauxLo mucked [9h 6d] - three of a kind, Nines

[bennymacca]

The first true thing I learnt about poker was this: "the spots where you are closest to losing the hand, are the spots where you will make the most amount of money".

Garth, that is definitely the case in this hand....

The edge he is talking about is your missed shove. I could go through the maths on why a shove here is good but I think I will fall on deaf ears

Each to their own

[JMACK007]

Mate, I was talking about Harps!!

He made the most money when he had virtually lost the hand....

**And definitely deaf ears if you think I should shove pre here with K9....

[666HARPS666]

G'day ,

Jo is one of the players I RESPECT the most . For his skill , talent to get reads on people & for being a Great person .
That being said there was noway he was getting me out of the hand . I did know Jo had a set , & it was only another 1,800 to call his re-raise . But even if he had of pushed pre-flop . " I was still calling " I was having a very good run of cards @ that time .
In fact most of the game the cards had been hitting for me .

p,s. I was happy to win the hand but I did feel bad about the way I ended his tourney . Again 1 of the few players I respect & really enjoy playing against "Always A good challenge"

[bennymacca]

**And definitely deaf ears if you think I should shove pre here with K9....

this just shows that you are stuck at level 1 thinking. i think you are probably the best level 1 player i have played against, but still. not going to bother talking strat with you anymore.

p,s. I was happy to win the hand but I did feel bad about the way I ended his tourney

i wouldn't feel bad at all, jo got very lucky on the turn when there was no way you were ever folding.

[666HARPS666]

G'day benny the cunt ,

So was that bad play or good by me the hand against Kon or bad play on his part ?

[bennymacca]

G'day benny the cunt ,

So was that bad play or good by me the hand against Kon or bad play on his part ?

i probably check behind on the turn instead of betting, if you bet i think he folds everything that you beat, and it gives you a free chance to hit your flush on the river.

i like raising slightly smaller than 3x preflop here, something like 1400 would be better than 1800 imo, just because it gives you a bit more wiggle room.

but overall i dont think you played it badly, but i would probably check behind on the turn