Beat/Vent Thread

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Re: Beat/Vent Thread

Postby bennymacca » Thu Nov 04, 2010 5:07 pm

maccatak11 wrote:lets say the blinds are 5k/10k. instead of min raising, why not raise to 2150, or 2080 or the like. I think it stops people spaz shoving because 'hey that prick min raised', even though you are still effectively min-raising.


after trying it over the past few week or so, i can say that it gets about the same amount of respect in standard 888 or tilt games, but the min raise gets absolutely no respect in the 888pl games, so i usually get something like 22222 at the 5k/10k instead.
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Re: Beat/Vent Thread

Postby madali » Thu Nov 04, 2010 5:27 pm

bennymacca wrote:
trishan wrote:First rebuy hand is unlucky. In the 2nd hand you both played it after the flop fine. Perhaps you have raised more preflop - that's the only thing that might've got him to fold Q8o.


min raising is pretty standard at this point in the tourney

it is something that, 2 months ago, i would NEVER have done, but since watching a lot of the TPE videos it really has a lot of merits to it when you have a 20-40bb stack, because it allows you to manoeuvre postflop. a 3x or even 2.5x bloats the pot and means it is much harder for you to play postflop.



Some very unlucky hands there benny the cunt. How are you finding the TPE vidoes? Are they helping your game?

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Re: Beat/Vent Thread

Postby bennymacca » Thu Nov 04, 2010 5:30 pm

madali wrote:Some very unlucky hands there benny the cunt. How are you finding the TPE vidoes? Are they helping your game?


EXCELLENT so far. really really good. if you are a tourney only player i would highly recommend it. if you are cash games then obviously something like DC or leggo would be better

the forum is also really good, because the pros actually post in the forums, so the strat threads have been good so far
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Re: Beat/Vent Thread

Postby madali » Thu Nov 04, 2010 5:39 pm

Sounds good might have a look at it then. My game is really going down hill lately. Not sure if it is lack of skill or confidence but thinking it could be a combination of the 2 and looking around for something that may help it get back on track.

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Re: Beat/Vent Thread

Postby AJG » Fri Nov 05, 2010 1:44 pm

bennymacca wrote:if he only has 8bb (or maybe up to like 12) then i think a min raise is good because it means they might think they have fold equity as well and will shove over you a lot more than if you make it 2.5x.


Good point, I often take that line in HU SnG endgame with monster hands.
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That site sounds alot like husng.com but for full tourneys, I agree being able to communicate with the pros in the forums or with a PM is awesome, especially if u have questions about something in one of their vids. How do they organise their collection? Are they about 1hr vids on a specific aspect of tournaments?

maccatak11 wrote:lets say the blinds are 5k/10k. instead of min raising, why not raise to 2150, or 2080 or the like. I think it stops people spaz shoving because 'hey that prick min raised', even though you are still effectively min-raising.

a) Wasnt benny the cunt's point that he wanted a shove over his min-raise?
b) Do you really think raising to 21,500 or 20,800 @5k/10k is going to cause much of a difference in the reactions of the players yet to act, than minraising to 20,000 even? I would highly doubt it

bennymacca wrote:.... but the min raise gets absolutely no respect in the 888pl games, ....
And you have noticed raise sizes that do? ;) (In general I mean)
Maybe things have changed abit as I havent played them for a while, but I remember not being able to get some people off a flush draw with an 80bb turn shove!
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Re: Beat/Vent Thread

Postby bennymacca » Fri Nov 05, 2010 1:54 pm

AJG wrote:Good point, I often take that line in HU SnG endgame with monster hands.


when it gets to heads up and 3 handed i pretty much ONLY min rasie


AJG wrote:That site sounds alot like husng.com but for full tourneys, I agree being able to communicate with the pros in the forums or with a PM is awesome, especially if u have questions about something in one of their vids. How do they organise their collection? Are they about 1hr vids on a specific aspect of tournaments?


their forums are really good, at least a couple of the pros post in there regularly, and there is very little flaming.

the organisation of their videos could be better, but basically they have lots of different types of videos, including live sweats, hand history reviews, reviews of other people's games, blind sweat where they just watch a final table without knowing hole cards, and theory, like the theory of 3bet shoving.

all vids are pretty much an hour long, but most of the videos take 3 hours or more so they split it up into parts. they cover stakes from $2r, right up to the sunday million and higher.

here is the video list, pretty cumbersome atm, i think they are in the process of changing it
http://www.tournamentpokeredge.com/videos/

AJG wrote:b) Do you really think raising to 21,500 or 20,800 @5k/10k is going to cause much of a difference in the reactions of the players yet to act, than minraising to 20,000 even? I would highly doubt it


when people are deepstacked, they usually see pfft min raise and just call anyway, but late in the tourney it works the same i have found.

AJG wrote:And you have noticed raise sizes that do? (In general I mean)
Maybe things have changed abit as I havent played them for a while, but I remember not being able to get some people off a flush draw with an 80bb turn shove!



actually, thinking of it now, NO raise size gets respect but you can pretty much never get the BB to fold to a min raise.

i have found something like 2.2x is good, because they treat it the same as a 4x raise. but by raising smaller you can steal lighter, play more small pots in position, and generally pot control better.

this is why i like the small raise sizes a lot now, and i think it has helped my game a lot.
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Re: Beat/Vent Thread

Postby muzzington » Sat Nov 06, 2010 12:57 pm

Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players - View hand 1011884
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CO: $22.30
Hero (BTN): $68.70
SB: $30.50
BB: $26.60
UTG: $6.95

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN with KImage JImage AImage KImage
1 fold, CO calls $0.50, Hero raises to $1.50, 2 folds, CO calls $1

Flop: ($3.75) TImage QImage KImage (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $3, CO raises to $12.60, Hero raises to $25, CO calls $8.20 all in

Turn: ($45.35) 3Image (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($45.35) 7Image (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $45.35
CO shows TImage 9Image 5Image 6Image (a flush, Queen high)
Hero shows KImage JImage AImage KImage (a straight, Ten to Ace)
CO wins $43.35
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Re: Beat/Vent Thread

Postby muzzington » Sat Nov 06, 2010 1:14 pm

This helped out shortly after.

Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players - View hand 1011896
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CO: $28.95
BTN: $10.40
SB: $10.80
Hero (BB): $73.05
UTG: $22.15
MP: $37.55

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with KImage TImage AImage AImage
UTG raises to $1.50, MP calls $1.50, 3 folds, Hero raises to $6.25, UTG calls $4.75, MP calls $4.75

Flop: ($19.00) QImage 3Image AImage (3 players)
Hero bets $18.05, UTG calls $15.90 all in, MP folds

Turn: ($50.80) AImage (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($50.80) 3Image (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $50.80
Hero shows KImage TImage AImage AImage (four of a kind, Aces)
UTG shows 7Image TImage TImage 7Image (a flush, Ace high)
Hero wins $48.35
(Rake: $2.45)
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Re: Beat/Vent Thread

Postby Conspiracy Theorist » Sat Nov 06, 2010 1:52 pm

PokerStars Game #52243445952: Tournament #328609061, $11+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (150/300) - 2010/11/06 13:47:59 AEST [2010/11/05 22:47:59 ET]
Table '328609061 16' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: dixana12 (8688 in chips)
Seat 2: oroylza (7671 in chips)
Seat 3: MarcRx4 (2925 in chips)
Seat 4: Storman62 (6795 in chips)
Seat 5: tonyinwyo (3850 in chips)
Seat 6: SRB-MARKAN (5320 in chips)
Seat 7: byrneballs (8063 in chips)
Seat 9: LeupoldK (546 in chips)
dixana12: posts the ante 25
oroylza: posts the ante 25
MarcRx4: posts the ante 25
Storman62: posts the ante 25
tonyinwyo: posts the ante 25
SRB-MARKAN: posts the ante 25
byrneballs: posts the ante 25
LeupoldK: posts the ante 25
MarcRx4: posts small blind 150
Storman62: posts big blind 300
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MarcRx4 [Kh Kc]
tonyinwyo: folds
SRB-MARKAN: raises 300 to 600
byrneballs: folds
LeupoldK: folds
dixana12: folds
oroylza: folds
MarcRx4: calls 450
Storman62: calls 300
*** FLOP *** [Kd 7c 5d]
MarcRx4: checks
Storman62: bets 900
SRB-MARKAN: folds
MarcRx4: raises 1400 to 2300 and is all-in
Storman62: calls 1400
*** TURN *** [Kd 7c 5d] [2d]
*** RIVER *** [Kd 7c 5d 2d] [Ad]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
MarcRx4: shows [Kh Kc] (three of a kind, Kings)
Storman62: shows [8c 7d] (a flush, Ace high)
Storman62 collected 6600 from pot
MarcRx4 finished the tournament in 68th place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 6600 | Rake 0
Board [Kd 7c 5d 2d Ad]
Seat 1: dixana12 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: oroylza (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: MarcRx4 (small blind) showed [Kh Kc] and lost with three of a kind, Kings
Seat 4: Storman62 (big blind) showed [8c 7d] and won (6600) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 5: tonyinwyo folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: SRB-MARKAN folded on the Flop
Seat 7: byrneballs folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: LeupoldK folded before Flop (didn't bet)


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Re: Beat/Vent Thread

Postby AceLosesKing » Sat Nov 06, 2010 1:56 pm

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