Whats my play here

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Re: Whats my play here

Postby mr_smooth81 » Wed Jul 07, 2010 6:15 pm

Garth Kay wrote:If you know players Agg factor what is VPIP, PFR and Steal %?


ok, vpip is 25.7% pfr is 19% and steal is 60 (but that sounds ridiculously high)

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Re: Whats my play here

Postby bennymacca » Wed Jul 07, 2010 6:28 pm

first thing i notice is that they are pretty solid stats.

how many hands was this over? 60 is high, but unless you have a bunch of hands, it could easily happen.

whilst the number 60 is probably not a true reflection on how many times this player steals, it is much higher than the pfr stat, which means the player is probably positionally aware.

this leans me more toward a call, but it is still marginal either way i think.

i think it will be read based as to whether i call here.
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Re: Whats my play here

Postby mr_smooth81 » Wed Jul 07, 2010 6:31 pm

bennymacca wrote:first thing i notice is that they are pretty solid stats.

how many hands was this over? 60 is high, but unless you have a bunch of hands, it could easily happen.

whilst the number 60 is probably not a true reflection on how many times this player steals, it is much higher than the pfr stat, which means the player is probably positionally aware.

this leans me more toward a call, but it is still marginal either way i think.

i think it will be read based as to whether i call here.


over 107 hands benny the cunt

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Re: Whats my play here

Postby bennymacca » Wed Jul 07, 2010 6:40 pm

ok.
107 hands isn't that much. but we can still say that this person is positionally aware i think.

still right on the borderline for me. the stack sizes being pretty equal means your tournament equity is pretty good. this would mean that a fold is probably the right call.

if you had a bigger or smaller stack (double or half) then i think its a call
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Re: Whats my play here

Postby Garth Kay » Wed Jul 07, 2010 8:11 pm

Even though sample size is small these player stats are fairly solid, agree with benny the cunt's assessment; this player is very positionally aware.

I find it hard to believe that are player playing a 50c tournament like this is that solid. Very suprised.

I think this is very borderline and I hate calling my stack off in this spot BUT:

1.) If it was an open shove from the button I call, but with one limper, this leans me towards assigning a tighter shove range from villain.
2.) As played I am sure I can find better spots where I can use FE to my advantage and not risk my tournament life in such a position.
3.) Also depends on tournament and table dynamics, if this is a tough table and I am struggling to pick up chips and battle it out then I need to exploit my equity edge against villains range in this spot.
4.) Is villain aware of limper's limping range and willingness to lay down to a shove? This might lossen DB's range dramatically?
5.) We also need to consider how much our tournament equity increases if we win this hand compared to what we gain by folding i.e: We are in the money and looking at a min cash as is with a below avg stack and 15BB. A double up moves us into top 10 chip counts and also means we have an advantage over other players and the table (layman's term).

There are many variables that need to be considered as played, final statement is:

it's a borderline position and an argument can be made for call or fold; this entire variables need to be considered to decide on the optimal +EV play, most importantly tournament stage, tournament equity and table dynamics.

In this spot I think I would call off every day of the week and exploit my edge, it may only be 5% but it is an edge. I would consider laying down if we are near the bubble or a substantial pay bracket jump.
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Re: Whats my play here

Postby mr_smooth81 » Wed Jul 07, 2010 11:23 pm

thanks for your thoughts

player had JJ, and the board of course bricked


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