Current Average System vs Old Average System

[gundog]

Simple sums

50 state leaderboard
65 regional leaderboards
665 venue top 5's
= 780

What a about progression system

Top 10 from each venue and the top 20 regional leaderboard players go to a Regional final with the top 25 progress to the state final

We have 13 regional areas that would have 325 player for the state final + the top 5 from the previous final would be also invited to the final.

Regional finals would be played at regional venues which would rotate each final to another venue

[maccatak11]

hey folks. if it was logistical issues that the NPL was looking to avoid by reducing the number of state finals qualifiers, then holding 13 regional semi-finals is hardly going to reduce this logistics wise.

i however love the idea of a regional finals system for the following reasons.

lets say that the top ten from each venue will qualify for a regional final. In the last few weeks of this season, i would say that most venue leaderboards would be resoanbly settled, with possibly 7 or 8 players in with a relaistic chance to crack the top 5. if the top ten from each venue qualified for a regional final, then this would effectively double the amount of people (up to 15 or 20) who will be really keen to play in the last few weeks of the season. this would possibly prevent the drop off seen in recent seasons.

at a regional final, small cash prizes could be awarded to the top 3 or 5 (as is occurring in some regions now) and the top 25 from each of the 13 regions could gain a seat at the state final.

each venue winner could be automatically be awarded a seat at the state final, which would reward venue winners who are currently not rewarded for winning a venue other than venue specifc prizes. this would therefore alleviate the situation where players in the top 2 or 3 who are entrenched in the top 5 not playing in the last few weeks because actual positions in te top 5 (first or fifth) are irrelevent. this would further prevent the drop off seen at the end of seasons.

Winners from each regional leaderboard (before the regional final) could also be rewarded with an autmoatic seat into the state final, placing more credence on these leadeboards, while encouraging players to play multiple venues in that region.


therefore, using my amazing maths skills.

115 venues x 1 seat for venue winner = 115 seats
regional finals 13 x 25 seats = 325 seats
region leaderboard winners x 13 = 13 seats
state leaderboard = 50 seats

TOTAL= 503 seats. This of course doesnt account for players who win multiple venues an/or regions, which would likely decrease the size of the state final further (by im guessing maybe 20 seats).

also when you think of the nhurmerous no-shows to the state final, the NPL would be looking at an event of around 450 players, effectively halving the size of the current state final, while not annoying many punters as if you are still good enough you will earn your spot at the state finals. this will also allow many medium experience players the chance to play at a regional event, which would still be a good achievement, giving these players something to play for if they have consistently finished in the 10-20 range at a venue with little chance of making the state final in its current form.


hope that makes sense, what does everyone else think of this system?

[BigPete33]

It does make sense and I think I've definitely heard worse ideas.

If nothing else, it places some importance on those region leaderboards which are currently little more than decoration.

[bennymacca]

it sounds pretty good matt.

it rewards players that finish first in a venue or region, making this more highly sort after, while also giving the perennial bride's maids (the 6-10 at a venue) players a chance to show off their skills.

this would encourage the lesser experience, single venue players to play more and further grow the NPL.

worth looking at something like this garth - some regions are already going to have regional finals, so it will be basically changing the structure of these tournaments so that the top 25 qualify.

question though - if someone qualifys in 2 different regional finals, would they play in both of them?

[bennymacca]

i have been thinking about the idea a little more, and i am not sure if i like it.

scenario.

you play at 3 venues a week, and do really well, picking up 2 wins but you miss the top spot by a point in each venue.

you are also third on the regional leaderboard.

this means that your whole season has been for nothing, and it in essence comes down to a single tournament.

in this tournament, you cop a bad beat from someone that finished 10th at their venue and had been getting some sick cards, and bubble, making your season for nothing.


i think this system would allow more "bad" players into the state final, and not reward consistent performers.

why would you want to play more tournaments, because you have the same opportunities to make the state final if you finish 10th at a venue playing 6 games than if you play every week at 3 different venues.

that doesnt seem very fair.

i hope people are starting to realise how hard it is for garth! i am not longing for his job, i can tell you that much.

[David]

"in this tournament, you cop a bad beat from someone that finished 10th at their venue and had been getting some sick cards, and bubble, making your season for nothing."

Have you been to the state finals before? that's what it's like.

[bennymacca]

true, i got busted out by roger at the state finals though. so i cant feel too bad.

but if pretty much everyone playing qualifys for the regional, then i dont see the point of the final

i think i am coming from a lower player-per-venue perspective where its pretty easy to make top 10

top 10 at roulettes is a really good effort though

[Scotty]

You're never going to please everybody, benny the cunt. No matter what the structure put in place for State Finals qualification, someone will come up with a "but if person A plays X, Y and Z and still can't qualify, then the system needs to be changed".

I agree that most of the regional leader boards are essentially pointless, as there is nil reward for any anybody on them. But to build these into end of season calculations, adds yet another logistical headache, and will take away from the state finals prizepool.

And i really can't see the majority of punters being happy with only venue leaders securing a guaranteed State finals seat, regardless of whether there were regional finals across the board for the other nine or not.

[bennymacca]

yeah you are right - impossible to please everybody.

in regards to trying to get less people to qualify for the state finals, what is the reasoning for this? i would think that the effort to organise a 500 runner event compared with a 700 runner event would not be that much different, except for the extra space requirements.

would the goal by to try and move away from the flight system?

its only 1 day a season, and the previous big events have been run really well, so i think that as-is is pretty good.

[Garth Kay]

No, the comment was made to make people realize that we may eventually look at a smaller, and by smaller I mean 200-300, deepstack tourney to find our state champion.
At the moment we do not have a problem running an event of 600 people. You SA's do not know how good you have it and how big these state finals really are. And by how good you have it, how well the staff run the tournaments and how efficient they are.
But running a flight system for over 700 qualifiers is quite the logistical an planning headache, and changing that number does not really change much.

As our State Finals continue to be a success and attract big numbers we will not change the qualification process, in regards to the regional leaderboards, in most country/rural areas they are been used as a fiscal reward for the top 10 and also as a qualification process for the top 150 into a regional final.

There will be many changes that you will see over the next three seasons, and one of these changes will be the use of the regional leaderboards in metro regions.