Beat/Vent Thread

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Re: Beat/Vent Thread

Postby madali » Tue Feb 15, 2011 11:52 pm

bennymacca wrote:effective stacks are 32bb, i dont see much wrong with how that hand played out.


Seems pretty standard to me although it always hurts to have you aces cracked.

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Re: Beat/Vent Thread

Postby 666HARPS666 » Tue Feb 15, 2011 11:52 pm

because he is not going away for another 2+k .
I did say it was bad luck mate, but by check-raising you let him in.

Just my thoughts Caleb, I am not being a smart (_!_), Just saying were I think you went wrong in that hand thats all Sir
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Re: Beat/Vent Thread

Postby Garth Kay » Tue Feb 15, 2011 11:53 pm

wabbit999 wrote:LOL i would love an explanation. I knew your raising range was very wide, usually any Ace etc. However your call to the re-raise on the flop, was pretty poor IMO, you could argue backdoor flush, Ace high might be good.

Pretty understandable calling the turn, only 1k left and 8k in the pot.


You're cold calling from the BB and your check raise range there is pretty wide, any flush draws, pairs, straight draws. I was putting my chips in anywhere but decided to let you take the lead.

You are one of the most aggressive players that play in this league online, and most times I will let you have your lead and overplay your hands. I really felt that Ace high was good in this spot about 50% of the time and was willing to lose some of my stack on that presumption.

I didn't put you on TT+ simply because I expected a three bet pre from you.
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Re: Beat/Vent Thread

Postby Garth Kay » Tue Feb 15, 2011 11:55 pm

666HARPS666 wrote:Ok you flopped 2 pair but your equity according to poker stove was still only 48.18% compared to 51.81%.
So math wise you were still behind, until the turn card. Where you were 95.45% to win compared to 4.54%


I'm sorry, but CHECK THAT!

Harps is using Stove!

Oh WOW - our little guy is growing up so quickly! Well done harps!

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Re: Beat/Vent Thread

Postby BigBlkTriton » Tue Feb 15, 2011 11:55 pm

im not complaining.
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Re: Beat/Vent Thread

Postby bennymacca » Tue Feb 15, 2011 11:56 pm

BigBlkTriton wrote:im not complaining.


BigBlkTriton wrote:ive got a feeling hes paying off 888 the way he was hitting on the final table, might just have to not play when he is, just luck not good play.



sorry mate but i think you were.
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Re: Beat/Vent Thread

Postby Garth Kay » Tue Feb 15, 2011 11:58 pm

BigBlkTriton wrote:im not complaining.


No you're not. Just insulting.

BigBlkTriton wrote:ive got a feeling hes paying off 888 the way he was hitting on the final table, might just have to not play when he is, just luck not good play.


Yeah, all my play is just about luck and nothing about skill.
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Re: Beat/Vent Thread

Postby Caleb » Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:04 am

666HARPS666 wrote:because he is not going away for another 2+k .
I did say it was bad luck mate, but by check-raising you let him in.

Just my thoughts Caleb, I am not being a smart (_!_), Just saying were I think you went wrong in that hand thats all Sir



So you're saying I let him in to win the hand because he couldn't fold for that amount? I understand now.

I'm going to tell you something now, and I'm not trying to be smart either. I sincerely am saying this to help you out.

IGNORE THE OUTCOME OF THE HAND

Just because he won that hand doesn't mean i "went wrong" somewhere.
Being a 96% favourite means 4 times out of 100 I will LOSE. And I will swear and curse and wonder "WHY MEEE???!!!"

And then I'll do the same thing the next time. And the time after. And the time after.

You can not, CAN NOT, be results orientated if you want to understand and improve at poker. If there is an optimal way to play a hand, you do it, regardless of whether or not you have a chance of losing if you "let them in."

Because in the long run (the reallllllly long run usually), you will win more than you lose, swing up more than down, make buckloads of cash more than swim in debt.

Realistically, the hand went like dream, until the river. Yes, it was unlucky, but I would do the same thing in a heartbeat.
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Re: Beat/Vent Thread

Postby madali » Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:09 am

Caleb Rybalka wrote:
666HARPS666 wrote:because he is not going away for another 2+k .
I did say it was bad luck mate, but by check-raising you let him in.

Just my thoughts Caleb, I am not being a smart (_!_), Just saying were I think you went wrong in that hand thats all Sir



So you're saying I let him in to win the hand because he couldn't fold for that amount? I understand now.

I'm going to tell you something now, and I'm not trying to be smart either. I sincerely am saying this to help you out.

IGNORE THE OUTCOME OF THE HAND

Just because he won that hand doesn't mean i "went wrong" somewhere.
Being a 96% favourite means 4 times out of 100 I will LOSE. And I will swear and curse and wonder "WHY MEEE???!!!"

And then I'll do the same thing the next time. And the time after. And the time after.

You can not, CAN NOT, be results orientated if you want to understand and improve at poker. If there is an optimal way to play a hand, you do it, regardless of whether or not you have a chance of losing if you "let them in."

Because in the long run (the reallllllly long run usually), you will win more than you lose, swing up more than down, make buckloads of cash more than swim in debt.

Realistically, the hand went like dream, until the river. Yes, it was unlucky, but I would do the same thing in a heartbeat.


Absolutely love this post it is the best of the night. I know myself I cost myself big by overplaying monster hands by the fear that I will be sucked out on on the river which I know costs me big time in the long run. It is a habit I am trying to break.

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Re: Beat/Vent Thread

Postby wabbit999 » Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:29 am

Garth Kay wrote:
wabbit999 wrote:LOL i would love an explanation. I knew your raising range was very wide, usually any Ace etc. However your call to the re-raise on the flop, was pretty poor IMO, you could argue backdoor flush, Ace high might be good.

Pretty understandable calling the turn, only 1k left and 8k in the pot.


You're cold calling from the BB and your check raise range there is pretty wide, any flush draws, pairs, straight draws. I was putting my chips in anywhere but decided to let you take the lead.

You are one of the most aggressive players that play in this league online, and most times I will let you have your lead and overplay your hands. I really felt that Ace high was good in this spot about 50% of the time and was willing to lose some of my stack on that presumption.

I didn't put you on TT+ simply because I expected a three bet pre from you.


LOL and I used the same reasoning for flat calling your pre-flop raise and checking the flop... I wanted you Cbet cause you do 70% of the time. If i'm re-raising you, i doubt your Ace High is ever good. If you had any 2 Ax overcards it is more understable your call but calling off 25% of your stack (my bet has to say its all going in on the turn) with Ace high is pretty hard.

At least I know i played the hand as well as could be and I got a bad beat.


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