Thoughts and Feedback please for Season 3 Home Game Fixture

[maccatak11]

Perhaps before suggesting that nobody will play the freeroll's anymore, you might like to wait until this schedule is actually in place. I would be willing to bet that the freeroll games will be well patronized, and with the fact that there is no longer a cap on these games, you might even see a greater opportunity for the 888pl players base to participate in online games for free.

Let's wait and see on this one, however it does seem that you are in a minority here peter - discussions i have had with people about this (with people both on and off the forum) have been overwhelmingly positive.

[maccatak11]

I was happy with the origional schedule and I spoke to Garth yesterday at the Aces on the River event at Gol Gol (Mildura) and he gave me a heads up that there are positive changes to the schedule, well this one is even better, what I like most is the reg time and being uncapped.

Perhaps Garth you may consider adding a late reg to the buyin games, ending at the end of the 1st blind level.

I think it unfair of anyone to presume that Garth only puts ideas on the forum for comment, he sure dosn't sit in his ivory tower and dream up changes, Garth along with Tim and Andre made the journey to Gol Gol whilst there I'm sure he would be looking for feedback from players about all facets of 888pl.

Great post gundog (never thought i would say that ).

Changes aren't made for changes sake only. For 888pl to grow in both skill and numbers then these changes are necessary in my opinion.

The widely held perception of the current schedule is that challenge buy in games are supplementary and as an added bonus on top of freeroll games (perhaps because live challenge events were introduced well after free events). However, (and im happy to be corrected here) but the whole purpose of online freeroll's were to encourage players to spend money playing real money games on 888. (after all, 888 are a business also, and they expect something out of the 888/888pl partnership as well).

There will always be ways to improve things in hindsight - slightly earlier feature event start times and late rego has already been mentioned, but i think the schedule is pretty awesome currently.

And, at the end of the day, the simple fact that there is a changed schedule with different events/structure etc will increase participation in these games. If the schedule stayed the same for too long then things become stale and people will gradually move away from these games.

[Stubbyholder]

it has been interesting reading the different points of view on this subject. i have to agree with the comments Hagar made about 888pl becoming elitist. I have seen a few references to 'lower budget users' and get the impression they are welcome to play elsewhere. If they play the lower buy in games they do not have te same chance of gaining points as someone who can afford to pay $20 per game. I think the system should be based more on skill and not your income

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[maccatak11]

it has been interesting reading the different points of view on this subject. i have to agree with the comments Hagar made about 888pl becoming elitist. I have seen a few references to 'lower budget users' and get the impression they are welcome to play elsewhere. If they play the lower buy in games they do not have te same chance of gaining points as someone who can afford to pay $20 per game. I think the system should be based more on skill and not your income

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I don't really know where people are getting this idea from. 8 out of the 16 games on the new schedule cost $4 or less (thats 50%). HALF THE GAMES!

The term 'low budget users' is merely a statement of fact as opposed to a derogatory term. If 888pl was elitist, then their core business of offering free pub poker in venues would not exist. 888pl have the ability to run ALL CBI events if they wanted to, but they continue to allow things to remain affordable for the casual players, while still catering for the more serious player.

If anything, the previous online schedule was excluding the 'high bedgect user' who would prefer a higher prizepool than $30-$50. The success of the recent 'super saturday' events shows a clear demand for this.

The different points multiplier bands for certain levels of buy ins are not introduced in an effort to skew the awarding of points toward higher level games, but merely to make it equitable. Winning a lower buy-in event with more runners should be approximately equal to winning a higher buy in event which will naturally have fewer runners. It all becomes more equitable instead of being favorable for the people who have the time to play lots of high-runner freeroll's each day. So instead of excluding players from the possibility of chasing dream team points, i think this will cater for MORE people.

[666HARPS666]

it has been interesting reading the different points of view on this subject. i have to agree with the comments Hagar made about 888pl becoming elitist. I have seen a few references to 'lower budget users' and get the impression they are welcome to play elsewhere. If they play the lower buy in games they do not have te same chance of gaining points as someone who can afford to pay $20 per game. I think the system should be based more on skill and not your income

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I don't really know where people are getting this idea from. 8 out of the 16 games on the new schedule cost $4 or less (thats 50%). HALF THE GAMES!

The term 'low budget users' is merely a statement of fact as opposed to a derogatory term. If 888pl was elitist, then their core business of offering free pub poker in venues would not exist. 888pl have the ability to run ALL CBI events if they wanted to, but they continue to allow things to remain affordable for the casual players, while still catering for the more serious player.

If anything, the previous online schedule was excluding the 'high bedgect user' who would prefer a higher prizepool than $30-$50. The success of the recent 'super saturday' events shows a clear demand for this.

The different points multiplier bands for certain levels of buy ins are not introduced in an effort to skew the awarding of points toward higher level games, but merely to make it equitable. Winning a lower buy-in event with more runners should be approximately equal to winning a higher buy in event which will naturally have fewer runners. It all becomes more equitable instead of being favorable for the people who have the time to play lots of high-runner freeroll's each day. So instead of excluding players from the possibility of chasing dream team points, i think this will cater for MORE people.

Not ALL true there Macca

Our area used to have 5 freeroll games a week "2 venues" Then they bought in a cash game @ 1 venue on a saturday .
Which was stopped through Some government ruling . That was over turned. Since then we have 3 freerolls a week,9 cash games which @ 1st had big numbers .Numbers have since dropped off for most of those cash games ,except a wednesday night
so in reality the fact that free poker is on its way OUT...
The fact that most people @ our locals call the cash games "non thinking poker" not how i would put it ,"would be some where like winnie the pooh's friend " Shows how people are starting to think about why they should not play these games .& why numbers dropped of with most of the cash games in our area
p.s our other game numbers have not improved .

So what do i do ?
Continue to play my 3 nights "live " a week "use to be 5" Play the few games i can afford online .& stay true to a league that i have been with for almost 4 years ? Or do i start to think about where i play .
My thinking is a lot more people will start going too ?What is still FREE poker .i.e A.P.L /N.P.P.L. ?

The truth is our freeroll games are starting to dwindle both live & online

FREE POKER DEAD OR ALIVE ?

I knew this was coming 17 months ago

[pmk]

I don't really know where people are getting this idea from. 8 out of the 16 games on the new schedule cost $4 or less (thats 50%). HALF THE GAMES!

I don't have the time to go back through just this thread alone to pull out all the times it was suggested to play elsewhere. I support meanmaree on this. If you asked around you may find other players willing to speak up who will confirm this perception (real or not).

And just because games are cheap for you doesn’t mean they are cheap for others. We don’t all have the luxury of a high disposable income that you might have.

There has been a recurring theme that players of free rolls deserve nothing but scorn and derision; how dare they qualify for our semi-finals! Etc etc.

If free roll poker dies for 888PL online then so be it. I dare say 888PL will eventually move to all buy-ins live and online as the current members of the league develop.

If they do drop them, then another league prepared to run free rolls will step into the shoes they vacated. Simple.

Anyway, I only popped in to give voice to my observations. I’m going back to work. Just shine the light in the sky when you need me again

[maccatak11]

I don't have the time to go back through just this thread alone to pull out all the times it was suggested to play elsewhere.

Online freeroll players contribute $0 to this business and the league in general. If you are not comfortable playing buy in poker then please feel free to go play in venue for your daily dose of free to play poker; 888 also offer a plethora of freerolls for the regular 888 player.

Was this the point you are talking about Peter? This is the only post from 888pl staff/management talking about the rationale for scrapping most of the online freerolls, and i think you need to read it again carefully.

Nowhere had anybody suggested that players should 'go and play elsewhere'. To suggest that 888pl would create a structure that endorses this is just ridiculous.

And just because games are cheap for you doesn’t mean they are cheap for others. We don’t all have the luxury of a high disposable income that you might have.

Ill repeat. The 888pl are not forcing people to spend more money. There are freeroll's still available, and lots of games for $1 or $2. Somebody could potentially play 10 online CBI games for the same money that somebody might spend on ONE in venue game. Just because there are some higher buy in games available, does not mean 888pl are forcing people to play them.

There has been a recurring theme that players of free rolls deserve nothing but scorn and derision; how dare they qualify for our semi-finals! Etc etc.

What would you suggest as an alternative? Do you think its fair that the dream team scoreboard (especially in S1 of the online fixture) consisted of players who had essentially gained all of their points through freerolls? Monet for nothing? not brilliant business sense in my opinion.

[gundog]

888pl was the only online poker provider giving players to opportunity to reap rewards when contributing nothing to 888pl.

Events like quarterly semi finals, dream team, regional events are made possible by players playing live venues and buyin games on line, as a freeroller you want all the spoils yet contribute little or nothing. Show me another online provider that gives you access to similar events playing freerolls.

Wake up and smell the roses 888pl is a business as a business it cannot continually give away something for nothing, so stop bitiching and say thank you if you dont like the new schedule you can vote with your feet or click of a mouse, by not playing on line or at a venue.

[bennymacca]

888pl was the only online poker provider giving players to opportunity to reap rewards when contributing nothing to 888pl.

Events like quarterly semi finals, dream team, regional events are made possible by players playing live venues and buyin games on line, as a freeroller you want all the spoils yet contribute little or nothing. Show me another online provider that gives you access to similar events playing freerolls.

Wake up and smell the roses 888pl is a business as a business it cannot continually give away something for nothing, so stop bitiching and say thank you if you dont like the new schedule you can vote with your feet or click of a mouse, by not playing on line or at a venue.

i like this gundog, the one that makes sense

[bennymacca]

how many freerolls are on the schedule right now?