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Re: SA State Championships

Postby Nathan Butler » Thu Sep 22, 2011 11:42 pm

Actually, I think the point you made above Nath is good as you have actually addressed the fact that this IS going to hurt the grass roots of the league. That is my major concern. I Don't blame NSW for anything, just the thinking of management on prizepool distribution. It seems a little cold and not thought out.


I completely agree with this process hurting the "grass roots". Before I explain, I just want to mention - even if you take APL/NSW out of the equation. I am very sure that SA prize pools would have continued to decrease anyway. As Tim has said, the prizes pools in SA are a direct reflection of the forecasted active player base of SA...

Now to continue on with the hurting the "Grass Roots" comment. I agree with this because of the following:

Regular in venue games are the crux of the FHG income/revenue/profit. Yet your chances of qualifying into the ME through these games incredibly small, almost none existent with the exception of getting through to the State Finals and finishing in the FT. Although the ME sounds amazing, it does not support the league at the grass roots (beyond the minimum participation rule) and only serves an arbitrary "end game" in which makes you play events outside of the normal schedule.

With all the focus on the ME and the diminished prize pool of the State Final, I believe players are less likely to want to participate in the regular games as there is just not enough value. Although the value is the correct value, it's not enough...

The whole point of pub poker is to give the masses the social enjoyment of the game, keep it more accessible than the casinos/real gambling and yet maintain the opportunity of some great prizes pools. It seems to me, the league is more focuses on creating events that parity the casinos and their prestige at the expense of participation and accessibility.

If FHG could some how create strong avenues for success/qualification through their regular games exclusively and drop the need for satellites and auxiliary measures to generate tickets then I think they would have a real winner. More people in regular games means more money for FHG and better prize pools for players. More time/money spent on all these satellites and auxillary measures means less players in regular games and less money into FHG.

All in all, my opinion only....
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Re: SA State Championships

Postby JMACK007 » Thu Sep 22, 2011 11:50 pm

I think your opinion is a good one mate.

However, I don't agree with the first statement about prizepools going down anyway. We have definitely gained players this season compared to last (into the State finals). If anyone at FHG has the official figures and can prove me wrong, please do so.....
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Re: SA State Championships

Postby Nathan Butler » Thu Sep 22, 2011 11:52 pm

bennymacca wrote:if this is true, i have no problem with it, but this isn't what we have been told, we have been told that the lowering of the prize pool is to fit into a national structure.


I think that's just another way of explaining it... no company is going to come out and say... our market/venues/feild sizes have shrunk = less prizes for players... The come out and say: National redistribution of X+3%~2x36 to the power of 9.... lol. Sounds all official.
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Re: SA State Championships

Postby Nathan Butler » Thu Sep 22, 2011 11:58 pm

JMACK007 wrote:I think your opinion is a good one mate.

However, I don't agree with the first statement about prizepools going down anyway. We have definitely gained players this season compared to last. If anyone at FHG has the official figures and can prove me wrong, please do so.....


Compared to last season, maybe... I wouldn't know the numbers... but that being said, the prize pools that were offered up until say the last season have been in place for 12-18months... that is the time frame that has effected these figures, last season to this season is far to short a time frame to gauge anything, even if they had grown, it would be no where near parity to this time 18 months ago when the prize structures were set.
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Re: SA State Championships

Postby JMACK007 » Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:03 am

Nathan Butler wrote:
JMACK007 wrote:I think your opinion is a good one mate.

However, I don't agree with the first statement about prizepools going down anyway. We have definitely gained players this season compared to last. If anyone at FHG has the official figures and can prove me wrong, please do so.....


Compared to last season, maybe... I wouldn't know the numbers... but that being said, the prize pools that were offered up until say the last season have been in place for 12-18months... that is the time frame that has effected these figures, last season to this season is far to short a time frame to gauge anything, even if they had grown, it would be no where near parity to this time 18 months ago when the prize structures were set.

Not so...the SA 888pl States (Semi's) used to be $25k, then went down to $15k, now $10k. I don't know the exact time frame, but it seems this has happened in a very short time frame. This doesn't even take into account what the APL players were playing for in their finals.................

Nath, I know you think big picture, and I know you must see that this will have a huge impact here, and not in a good way.....

I am also confident that you understand where I was getting at with the 888.com example of funding a market to generate a profit down the line (or at least keep the market active)....
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Re: SA State Championships

Postby JMACK007 » Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:21 am

Maybe we've also missed a key point here. What were the APL players in SA playing for previously in their State finals???
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Re: SA State Championships

Postby Nathan Butler » Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:22 am

JMACK007 wrote:Nath, I know you think big picture, and I know you must see that this will have a huge impact here, and not in a good way.....
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Completely agree. Seems it's a bit of 'Res ipsa loquitur'.
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Re: SA State Championships

Postby Nathan Butler » Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:23 am

JMACK007 wrote:Maybe we've also missed a key point here. What were the APL players in SA playing for previously in their State finals in SA???


They were playing for what ever Chris Ellingburg made up on the spot and then didn't pay. :P
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Re: SA State Championships

Postby JMACK007 » Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:25 am

Nathan Butler wrote:
JMACK007 wrote:Nath, I know you think big picture, and I know you must see that this will have a huge impact here, and not in a good way.....
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Completely agree. Seems it's a bit of 'Res ipsa loquitur'.

LOL, I had to google it, but yeah!! :D
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Re: SA State Championships

Postby Nathan Butler » Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:35 am

JMACK007 wrote:
Nathan Butler wrote:
JMACK007 wrote:Nath, I know you think big picture, and I know you must see that this will have a huge impact here, and not in a good way.....
.


Completely agree. Seems it's a bit of 'Res ipsa loquitur'.

LOL, I had to google it, but yeah!! :D


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