Calling PLO Players - 50PLO, Deep, nut flush, paired turn

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Re: Calling PLO Players - 50PLO, Deep, nut flush, paired turn

Postby Bacon » Mon Feb 15, 2010 11:55 am

Caleb Rybalka wrote:
Bacon wrote:I can't see how I would fold the nuts flush, even with the possibility of the house.


Would you like to play some omaha?


Can't be any worse than I am at NLHE ;)
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Re: Calling PLO Players - 50PLO, Deep, nut flush, paired turn

Postby bennymacca » Mon Feb 15, 2010 12:09 pm

Bacon wrote:I can't see how I would fold the nuts flush, even with the possibility of the house.


Bacon wrote:Can't be any worse than I am at NLHE ;)


i think i beg to differ after this statement. :D
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Re: Calling PLO Players - 50PLO, Deep, nut flush, paired turn

Postby Garth Kay » Mon Feb 15, 2010 12:29 pm

Scott wrote:Whilst I fold here most of the time, this IS the base line type of scenario in which I would stack off in PLO.


+1 Scotty! I drop my chips off here as well probably 33% of the time.
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Re: Calling PLO Players - 50PLO, Deep, nut flush, paired turn

Postby Snapple » Thu Feb 18, 2010 9:37 pm

It is definently a fold in my opinion.
But I also wouldn't be calling the flop with just the nut flush, In omaha I generally want more than just a flush draw to be calling.
A pot bet on the flop generally screams a set (in most scenarios). Even if you hit the flush on the turn without a paired board, a good player in omaha can let their hand go. The only real people you want to be up against is a weaker flush draw and the pot bet on the flop gets rid of all the lower flush draws.
Thats just my opinion anyway.

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Re: Calling PLO Players - 50PLO, Deep, nut flush, paired turn

Postby Scotty » Thu Feb 18, 2010 11:13 pm

Snapple wrote:A pot bet on the flop generally screams a set (in most scenarios).


Depends on the stakes/players. Lower stakes will lead out pot with nut/2nd nut FD and a piece, you agree? So, for example, a hand like AxKh10xXh?

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Re: Calling PLO Players - 50PLO, Deep, nut flush, paired turn

Postby David » Thu Feb 18, 2010 11:57 pm

Haha. I only just read this thread.

From what i've learnt so far:

"horrible and lovely card at the same time"

= horrible.
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Re: Calling PLO Players - 50PLO, Deep, nut flush, paired turn

Postby bennymacca » Fri Feb 19, 2010 12:14 pm

David wrote:"horrible and lovely card at the same time"

= horrible.


this

Snapple wrote:But I also wouldn't be calling the flop with just the nut flush, In omaha I generally want more than just a flush draw to be calling.


the reason i did was because we were so deep. if he has the second nut flush draw, which is distinctly possible (he can have all sorts of combo draws, or 2 pair plus flush draws etc), then it is going to be a massive payday for me.
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Re: Calling PLO Players - 50PLO, Deep, nut flush, paired turn

Postby Snapple » Fri Feb 19, 2010 3:11 pm

the reason i did was because we were so deep. if he has the second nut flush draw, which is distinctly possible (he can have all sorts of combo draws, or 2 pair plus flush draws etc), then it is going to be a massive payday for me.


If he has any of these hands even if you turn the flush without the board pairing, he's only calling the turn bet anyway in my opinion. I'm not calling a pot on the turn and the river with only Kh xh.

Depends on the stakes/players. Lower stakes will lead out pot with nut/2nd nut FD and a piece, you agree? So, for example, a hand like AxKh10xXh?

I agree with the lower stakes but 25c./50c is a decent stakes game in omaha. Over the last 12 months all I have been playing online is omaha, I would only be calling with that sort of hand (AxKh10xXh). Calling any flush on a paired board in omaha is just asking for trouble. You call in that situation being in front and he hits a filler on the river or you could also be drawing dead. as opposed to just check calling each street you don't know where you're at.
I you call there and he pots the river it puts you all in, what are you doing there? You can't call the river in my opinion so save $30 and fold.
As Brett said there are always better spots to get it in, in omaha.

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Re: Calling PLO Players - 50PLO, Deep, nut flush, paired turn

Postby bennymacca » Fri Feb 19, 2010 3:29 pm

Snapple wrote:Calling any flush on a paired board in omaha is just asking for trouble


the board wasn't paired until the turn. and i folded on the turn. im not really sure what you are arguing here. it sounds to me like you are scared getting it in with the nuts, just in case your opponent hits his 10 outer.
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Re: Calling PLO Players - 50PLO, Deep, nut flush, paired turn

Postby Snapple » Fri Feb 19, 2010 5:36 pm

That's what I am saying that you should've folded and you did, all I am just saying is I wouldnt be calling a flop pot bet.
2/3s or less and I would be calling.
It's a easy fold on the turn.


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