The Best Way to play AA in deepstacks!

[Shannon]

on my table 1 player actually folded the dreaded pockets cause he was thinking he was behind... when actually he was well in front!

You were on my table.... I played my JJ very well against him.

Didn't really matter much, he was short and I was committing his entire stack with my lead-out bet on the flop.

I was actually suprised that he folded his AA to me, I had a lot more respect for him post that. Although, I think the only reason he folded, was he kept hearing how they were constantly getting cracked....my fortunate timing!!

[rcon]

this....

this is where your line of thinking is wrong. Aces are only one pair.

You should only be looking to get your entire stack in hands/boards that give you the nuts, or close to (in a deepstack). There is no need to build an unnecessarily large pot, that you are now committed to call, with one pair.

Players need to learn how to fold.

yet in a TPTK flop, where 2 pair/set is very possible....

I call. If he has KQ mutter under your breath. Feels like a weak K/Q/JT wanting to win the pot now (around 5k).

ref: Subject: Interesting hand

True, its not for entire stack in 2nd example, but over 60% whilst the blinds are still low.

I often find I have this disconnect between what I know is the right move, and what I actually do. Like folding AA, you often talk yourself into "he only has top pair on the board" and make the call. I find it interesting I was able to make this lay-down, as in times gone by, I'd have snap called here. Caleb would drill me for making that lay-down!

Always an interesting discussion, even if it covers old ground. Every. Single. Time.

[AceLosesKing]

lolz.

Different hand.

But I see your point, well said sir.

[Go Fish]

ive always played my aces in a typical way...preflop shoving...

thanks to a little chatting with one of the TC's, i have changed how i play them

playing the woolshed last night, just after the second break, i have come back to a stack of around 6600, blinds are 1k/2k, 5 handed

squeeze Aces SB
UTG and UTG +1 both limp
1 fold
I min raise to 4k (leaving 2.6k in stack)
BB, UTG, UTG+1 all call
flop comes J high rainbow
I snap jam my remaining 2.6k into the pot
BB folds
UTG calls
UTG +1 folds

i roll my A's, UTG rolls KoJack suited
turn and river both blank and i take down the pot for 21k+
move from short stack to 3rd or 4th in chips

what do you think of that play?

[maccatak11]

If you ask me, its pretty bad. Whether or not you shove your aces preflop has to depend on your stack size relative to the BB. With only 3BB, im all in with aces all the time, and i think you should be all the time.

If you had 20k in your stack at the time, then you have room to play them differently, as you want to make sure you get paid off for your big hand, but with only 6.5k and with two limpers, you simply have to shove. Aces are good, but they don't play as well in a 4-way pot...

[bennymacca]

aces against 4 completely random hands

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

9,980,209 games 10.089 secs 989,216 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 63.848% 63.63% 00.22% 6350819 22256.50 { AA }
Hand 1: 12.063% 11.60% 00.46% 1158115 45930.17 { random }
Hand 2: 12.052% 11.59% 00.46% 1156899 46066.00 { random }
Hand 3: 12.037% 11.58% 00.46% 1155507 46006.33 { random }


aces against a single random hand



Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

65,299,145 games 33.536 secs 1,947,135 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 85.205% 84.94% 00.27% 55463054 177826.50 { AA }
Hand 1: 14.795% 14.52% 00.27% 9483408 177826.50 { random }




playing any really strong pocket pair multiway is just yuck