What are you doing with this overpair?

[Garth Kay]

but I thought I'd limp UTG here, to hopefully get a LP raise (woot!)

So you get your LP raise and decide to flat?
WTF!!!!!!!

As played you are 16 year old kid messing around with your girlfriend (who has no arms, legs and the ability to talk), fumbling around in the dark trying to find out if you will get lucky, with no direction or guidance the possibility of scoring is very limited.

(I actually made the above more elegant, the first draft of that was freaking hilarious!)

You need to re raise pre, flatting with JJ OOP is a terrible play unless you are set mining. Flatting gives us no real information on the relative hand strength of your opponents.

Now that you have flatted you (as first to act) lead into the pot, if you're going to slow play then I suggest check raising, or even check calling here. But that's only if you want to keep on "beating around the bush" so to speak.

And the re raise on the turn followed by a flat call has you committed to shove your remaining chips in or fold.

I don't see how you can shove here with JJ, knowing that you are going to get two callers on this board. Personally at these stakes, I call just for the hell of it. A disciplined player, with limited information, has to at least contemplate a fold.

[maccatak11]

Why should the stakes come into a decision?

Because its cheap, or because its only $5 are REALLY bad reasons to stay in a hand. If people are managing their bankrolls correctly then this would represent the same percentage of someones roll as if they were playing for their stack in a $1/2 game or a $10/20 game. Yes your opponents might have larger shoving/raising ranges in lower stakes games, but playing 'just for the hell of it' is wrong.'

Perhaps people should delete the decimal point from all stacks before they post a HH. What if bacon had $1600 in front of him and the raise was to $500?? Your thought process should be the same in both situations.

[bennymacca]

you have to think about the quality of your opponent matthew.


as has been said here though bacon, flatting with JJ is marginal at best, you are really hoping for a raise. and once you get it, there is no possible way you can flat call out of position, unless your only objective is to try and flop a set. you have played this like you have 22, so although your hand is underrepresented i still dont think you can call, against 4 players.

i would have 3bet this to $2 preflop

[Bacon]

Pre-flop, I *planned* on re-raising, but cannot say why I didn't. That was bad play on my behalf. I admit it, I'll learn from it.

I knew the flat call was out of the question. I shoved. Knarz re-shoved, and called by the remaining 2 (don't have the hand here at work).

Turned a Jack.

River bricked.

Spoiler:

I lost the main pot, but picked up a $9 side pot.

As already showed, Scuba (the original) had TPTK on the flop, and he lost his whole stack.

Meca had [Ks Qs] & knar had a set of 5's

[Garth Kay]

Why should the stakes come into a decision?

Because its cheap, or because its only $5 are REALLY bad reasons to stay in a hand. If people are managing their bankrolls correctly then this would represent the same percentage of someones roll as if they were playing for their stack in a $1/2 game or a $10/20 game. Yes your opponents might have larger shoving/raising ranges in lower stakes games, but playing 'just for the hell of it' is wrong.'

Perhaps people should delete the decimal point from all stacks before they post a HH. What if bacon had $1600 in front of him and the raise was to $500?? Your thought process should be the same in both situations.

Because of the skill level in general represented at these stakes. It's quite easy to say that players at the 5c/10c levels are nowhere near the skill level or the meta game thought processes of those playing at a $1/$2 level let alone 5/10 or greater.

[Garth Kay]

And in response to that if the action was equivalent in a $1/$2 game then I would definitely fold as I am just nowhere in the hand and this type of action represent some serious tragedy about to occur. It's a very generic statement but I would also have a better understanding of my opponents thoughts processes behind their play.

In a 5c/10c game the ranges of these players are so great that you will be ahead 72% of the time. Just because the game at these levels are widely accepted as very loose passive/aggressive.

[Bacon]

I'm going back to 3c/6c, cos I don't have the thought processes for 5/10c

[Garth Kay]

I'm going back to 3c/6c, cos I don't have the thought processes for 5/10c

Good move.

That hand was terrible and I expect more from you Bacon.

[Bacon]

Good move.

That hand was terrible and I expect more from you Bacon.

I came 2nd in the 8pm Challenge game, does that redeem myself?

[muzzington]

I still believe in you partner.