How to extract money in this situation?

[Caleb]

You'll notice that the other K was in the SB's hand. The other callers on the flop therefore were drawing/very weak. And they still called. That's the reality here.

2/3 in melbourne is the softest game I've ever played. Why do you think I travelled over there especially to play at crown?

Your bet's on the turn and river just screamed strength, I would almost contemplate a check on the turn there to see if I can get any fish to fire at the pot to take it down. Otherwise I contemplate an overbet anywhere from 3/4's to 2x the pot. Make it look like you are scared of callers and want to shut it down.

From your description of the table. I smooth cal flop, check turn and then jam river.

The smooth call looks like strong hand, but could be beaten and doesn't want to let it go.
The check on the turn will represent weakness to the other callers and if you give away free cards that's to bad. The river jam is just one of those bets where they have to decide you are bluffing after playing so passively post flop or if you really are that strong.

The reason I value bet the turn is that I wanted the chasers (if there were any) to call. With only one K left in the deck and not much else out there, I parred at least one of the flop-callers to a straight draw. I was valuing them in (in their strange minds) but still making them pay for their draw at the same time.

Also, I used the basic cash game analysis some players use.
"I called $58 on the flop to chase, it's only about double that to get one more card. I'm already committed."

That said, I do believe you are right in saying that a check or over-bet is a better option here. It has the potential for a greater reward. If I over-bet I believe the chasers still calls, If i check, then jam river the other caller who folded on the turn might have called me down with a 10.

Also, lead for more on the turn. Thats a $363 pot, you should be firing at least $200, and cramming practically any river.

Would you have fired the turn, or checked? I don't think you said which way you would have played it from turn to river.

Double hand slap all your chips into the pot on the flop. It will get a call or two.

I prefer the double fist-pump snap all-in, with optional Nathan Butler voice crack.

I think flat calling would be the wrong option. This is why.

Some people have mentioned that they want some kings (KQ, KJ and dare i say it K9) along for the ride, but realistically, these hands are folding (with the exception of maybe KQ) to the jam on the flop here anyway. So the only hands that are coming along for the ride are AA, KT, QJ, TT, 33, AJ and AQ.

Honestly, and quite realistically too, I'm getting called by anyone hitting that flop, even if I value raise the flop. Some of these players will call from behind, knowing full well they are chasing a 5-outers or 3-outer to take the lead.

Best quote I heard over there:
Player 1: "How did you call me with THAT?"
Player 2: "I was ahead."
Player 1: "I had top set! How were you ahead?"
Player 2: "If I hit I'm ahead. So I called."

Remember I had pretty close to the nuts on the flop on an extremely soft, aggressive table. I was out of position. If I raise the flop, I'm not checking the turn. Because these players will not bet unless they have a made hand, but they will call most bets. By flatting I was giving someone an option to re-raise, which is something much less likely If I lead out from early position on most streets.

I'm going to say this, even without having played against most of you here.

You are all some of the best players I know*, you all would destroy most tables in Melbourne. The way some of you think about the game is un-parallelled in my experience, but considering who these players were, I really was playing against walking ATMs. The flat/check/jam would work against good players, but not these guys. The small raise/check would also not work, because these are not players who will jam based on their read, they base it on what they have. ABC poker at it's most basic.

From what you guys have posted, I'm happy with the way I played it. I should bet more on the turn (probably $190-$250), then jammed the river assuming no scare card came. Realistically though, I'm not complaining. I still got a decent call on the turn.

*Except Big Pete. You play K10o far too hard for my liking.

[AceLosesKing]

Also, lead for more on the turn. Thats a $363 pot, you should be firing at least $200, and cramming practically any river.

Would you have fired the turn, or checked? I don't think you said which way you would have played it from turn to river.

I never did, no. I'm torn between checking and jamming the river or firing turn, jamming river. I like firing turn more. You seem to get called by almost anything at these sort of games, so just go for straight up value.

Remember I had pretty close to the nuts on the flop on an extremely soft, aggressive table. I was out of position. If I raise the flop, I'm not checking the turn. Because these players will not bet unless they have a made hand, but they will call most bets. By flatting I was giving someone an option to re-raise, which is something much less likely If I lead out from early position on most streets.

Good thought process here.

You are all some of the best players I know*, you all would destroy most tables in Melbourne. The way some of you think about the game is un-parallelled in my experience, but considering who these players were, I really was playing against walking ATMs. The flat/check/jam would work against good players, but not these guys. The small raise/check would also not work, because these are not players who will jam based on their read, they base it on what they have. ABC poker at it's most basic.

Jeez, you must not know many poker players

From what you guys have posted, I'm happy with the way I played it. I should bet more on the turn (probably $190-$250), then jammed the river assuming no scare card came. Realistically though, I'm not complaining. I still got a decent call on the turn.

I think this is the only "wrong" (if you could call it that) thing about this hand, the small turn bet. I would've definitely pumped it up a lot more - and he was calling with QJ. And if he gets there, he gets there. Make those mofo's pay all the way baby!

[AJG]

You also mention something about 1am, and I would guess a few players were a tad bit pissed by then? Ive seen similar crazy calls preflop to a decent EP raise here in Adelaide, but not quite what u desribe.

It seems agrees that flat calling the flop SB shove is correct (optimal even) play.

You also mention that the table went into overdrive with bigger pots, weaker winning hands etc all implying LAGs, which would make me lean toward this play:

Lay a BIG trap
check and flat call the turn....
check the river again, hoping to induce a bluff (ideally with another caller or 2) that you then shove your whole stack over the top of.
But it depends if they were the sort of players to bet their draws etc yeah?

going to the flop you had 9 x $21 = $189 pot
then SBs 58 push, your call + 2 more = $421 pot with 4 to see a turn
you bet 130 on the turn, gettin a single caller = $681
which you won.

but double checking, it could have played out like this
(btw: did both the other flop callers have bigger stacks than you?)
so you chk the turn,
OPP1 bets out 140, OPP2 CALLS, so do you. pot is now 609 (was 421)
again u chk the river ( I mean you need to sell it with your actions to)
OPP1 decides to have another stab, and bets out $210, now OPP2 folds (there is now $819 in the pot, and I don't know how much he has left) but you chk-raise push the river, he still gonna fold, but theres an extra $160 or so in the middle (maybe more or less)

As he missed his draw he was never going to call a river bet, so that leads me to believe that the only way to get more into the pot, is to induce a bluff from him on the river, and a chk-call on the turn may have kept the 4th player in...

Heck, you won a monster pot Caleb, its easy (and a good thing) to wonder how you could have got more out of it, well after the hand...
a 227BB pot is massive mate... bravo!

(You've reminded me its been too long since I went for a night or 3 at the crown )