Further hypothetical - but now we involve gameplay and maths

[pundies]

I'm interested to know how many people here would honestly fold Kings in this situation, until they read this?

Me.

I am comfortable with my stack at that stage of the tournament. There is along way to go. 4 players in the hand allows for many possible scenarios after the flop, turn & river. There is an excellent chance DB has AA. I push my cards into the middle and hope by doing this DB will eliminate 2 other players.

[David]

Remember being at some community club a while ago, and saw a few all ins for differing stacks. Maybe 4 all ins.. or even 5.

Got around to the big blind which was Alan Nisbett who stood up with his hands on his head, and a few seconds later mucked his KK face up. You don't see that TOO often in pub poker.

[David]

Oh, and for the record, cards tabled were AA, AK, AK and TT with the tens flopping a set.

[Garth Kay]

I'm keen to do a study group to work Mathematics of Poker. I need to start learning cEV and ICM calculations by rote so working through it once more will help a great deal. Even brushing up on equity calculations will help a great deal.

Someone start another thread to see if anyone else is interested, but make sure to put a disclaimer on it that this is probably more advanced than most will think.

[pundies]

but make sure to put a disclaimer on it that this is probably more advanced than most will think.

I gather this refers to me.

That is fine, I shall stay out of your mathematical discussion. Way over my head & I don't think my brain is designed to incorporate this level of thinking.

I know my live play is good. 3 final tables out of the 6 tournaments I have played outside of 888pl in the last 12 months at Crown & in Sydney with 500+ runners tells me that. But online, I suck. I think I need to go to the bookshelf of poker books in this house & pick the most simple one & read it before I even attempt to contribute to these kind of dicussions.

Thanks bennyjams for your interest and comments in the things I say, I appreciate it.

[bennymacca]

Thanks bennyjams for your interest and comments in the things I say, I appreciate it.

no worries at all

as you may have worked out, maths is one of my strengths, so if i can try and share that with you guys, then i am more than happy to.

my weaknesses are in controlling my tilt, and being able to make big folds on the river when i know i am beat, but just cant make that fold. live i think i can do this ok, but online i call way too often. so if you have any tips on that type of stuff then i am more than happy to hear your advice.

[Garth Kay]

I gather this refers to me.

No not at all, more for those who are willing to put up their hand and say yes, but aren;t willing to learn or contribute, you're more than welcome Sarah.

I don't want to insult anybody but there are a lot of people who visit the forum just to lurk and view the HH/strat discussions and the stuff we will discuss will go over a lot of their head.

You won't have a problem picking it up as we go. I was more thinking this will be a closed thread and only viewable to those who wish to be a part of the group seriously.

[pundies]

my weaknesses are in controlling my tilt, and being able to make big folds on the river when i know i am beat, but just cant make that fold. live i think i can do this ok, but online i call way too often.

It is alot easier to stop yourself from reaching for that lovely chip stack in front of you than it is to just press 'click'. When your gut says 'your beat' trust it. Perhaps you were not beat but folding keeps you in the tournament, a more comfortable spot will hopefully come along.

One of the reasons I struggle with the maths is I have watched it be a massive downfall to players at times. One time in particular was in Sydney a few months ago, it was day 2 & there were 80/500 left. Blinds were 2000/4000 and the guy opposite me was the overwhelming chip leader with $600K. (I was sitting with $8000, being my patient self waiting for what I felt was my best spot. gmatical was on the rail giving me 'your an idiot' stares for about 3 button passes......whatever gmatical). Now the $600k player was all about the maths, it is what got him the stack. But come final table, I am there and he is not. What got him that stack, in turn lost the stack.

[muzzington]

Not sure how that leads you to distrusting math unless the chip leader was a super computer.

[trishan]

One of the reasons I struggle with the maths is I have watched it be a massive downfall to players at times. One time in particular was in Sydney a few months ago, it was day 2 & there were 80/500 left. Blinds were 2000/4000 and the guy opposite me was the overwhelming chip leader with $600K. (I was sitting with $8000, being my patient self waiting for what I felt was my best spot. gmatical was on the rail giving me 'your an idiot' stares for about 3 button passes......whatever gmatical). Now the $600k player was all about the maths, it is what got him the stack. But come final table, I am there and he is not. What got him that stack, in turn lost the stack.

Hey pundies,
The thing about Mr Maths is that if he is indeed playing mathematically correct, then if he played the same way over 100 tournaments he should win more than he loses. You might lose the particular hand but if you make the mathematically correct play then in the long run you will always be ahead.