PLO Tip 2: Cohesive Hands

[AceLosesKing]

That has to be K3cc, the Ac is on the board.

I know nothing about Omaha, but I think I'd be checking on the turn for pot control.

[maccatak11]

sorry i buggered up the suits. will fix them now. He had the Ace of clubs in his hand.

[Brett Kay]

OK i was out first hand of the PLO game tonight, so i will post the hand for discussion.

I am dealt 44A9 (A9 were spades) in mid position and limp in. I would consider this a reasonably decent starting hand, although i have little chance of a straight, but good enough to see a flop.

There were 7 players to this flop i believe.

Flop comes [Ah][9c][2c]

Not a bad flop for me, and its checked to me so i bet about 3/4 of the pot. (about 250 into a 300 pot i think).

I get one caller (pot about 900 now)

Fine bet here, Reduce it down to Flush draws and Straight draws, plus weak ace hands,

Turn [4s]

So now i have a set with plenty of outs for the house. I am first to act and bet about 730 into the 900 pot. (i have 1000 left behind now). the same guy calls.

Straight Draw has been made, might have been wiser to slow down at this point. Think about what we have hopefully reduced our hands down to. Also think about what hands are going to stay in no matter what. E.g Nut flush draws, as well as open ended straight draws. and also sets. Still behind to AA and 99.

Count your outs too. 2 aces, 2 nines, 1 4. You are also redrawing pretty thin as well with no straight or flush draws

River [7c]

This is where i screw up. Its pretty clear he might have had a pair/flush draw before this, so he has prob just made his hand.

I check and he bets his last 1000. so its all in for me to call into a 3300 pot. I make the call (this i know was a mistake. the holdem player in me is what made me lean toward would have making this call, but clearly there is a much higher chance of him having the flush in omaha compared to holdem).

Behind to some straight draws, any flush, any set.

He showed [ac][3c] for the nut flush, so i lost the hand, BUT

Did i play the hand correctly before the river. I had what i considered to be a strong hand on both the flop and the turn, but were my 3/4 pot sized bets appropriate?

Should i have bet smaller and/or check/called any of the streets to make the pot smaller and lessen my potential losses. Its always these type of hands that are getting me into trouble in omaha.

At this point you can think about getting away from the hand and having a chance to get your money in a lot better. As played the turn is where you need to slow down, mainly because there was a wide variety of hands out there. Relying on cards to make your full house or quads could also give them a better boat as well.

[maccatak11]

Cheers Brett. Thanks for the feedback. A board pair also makes my house, so i had 3 more outs than you said, but yeah its still less than i thought.

Laerning a new game as an absoloute beginner is fun.

[Brett Kay]

two 2nds in 2 weeks. Dammit got to stop teaching you guys. LOL.

[Des]

Least you are getting your money in good

I gotta stop misclicking instacalls!

[Garth Kay]

LOL @ Thread title.

I love it, after recent discussions.

Brett you shall now be known as Brett "Cohesive Hands" Kay or if you want Brett "The Cohesive Tip" Kay.

[Brett Kay]

LOL @ Thread title.

I love it, after recent discussions.

Brett you shall now be known as Brett "Cohesive Hands" Kay or if you want Brett "The Cohesive Tip" Kay.

Meh. Which recent discussions.

Updating name now.

[eddy12325]

Brett
Great topic, I have just started playing omaha online for micro stakes but just to clarify something.

Using 5 6 9 10. The board comes down 7,8,4. The number of outs start to get bigger. 4x J's, 3x 10's, 3x9s, 3x6's, 3x5's, 4x3's Giving us a total of 20 outs. 80% chance of winning on the turn or the river. This is called a wraparound straight, valuable hand, that can give you multiple chances of taking down a big pot. Don't let the outs fool you though. You still are behind to their pair. Your still waiting for one of the cards to make your hand.

If I have 5 6 9 10 and the flop comes down 7,8,4, I have flopped the nuts and surely my outs are just to redraw to a better nuts. The rest of your information is really useful though, Thanks

[Brett Kay]

Brett
Great topic, I have just started playing omaha online for micro stakes but just to clarify something.

Using 5 6 9 10. The board comes down 7,8,4. The number of outs start to get bigger. 4x J's, 3x 10's, 3x9s, 3x6's, 3x5's, 4x3's Giving us a total of 20 outs. 80% chance of winning on the turn or the river. This is called a wraparound straight, valuable hand, that can give you multiple chances of taking down a big pot. Don't let the outs fool you though. You still are behind to their pair. Your still waiting for one of the cards to make your hand.

If I have 5 6 9 10 and the flop comes down 7,8,4, I have flopped the nuts and surely my outs are just to redraw to a better nuts. The rest of your information is really useful though, Thanks

I don't proof read obviously. Also 1am in the morning in WA, i think it came out relatively well. Will update when i have time later in the week