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Being Constructive with posts

Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 9:30 am
by bennymacca
Although i think brice may have took garth's other post out of context, i think he still has a valid point for the forum in general. This is not in the context of cougar getting banned from playing NPL, but with his and other people's forum posting.

mr_niceguy_1979 wrote:Although I don't know the full circumstances here, the treatment of Cougar in the forum and in general that I have witnessed does seem a bit unfair. From what I have read, Cougar just has a differing opinion yet he does raise some very very valid points and by the sounds of it represents players who do not get on the forum. Why come on the forum and agree with everything, the forum is for discussion. I will sit back and agree with just about everything on here. So if I only post about questions or things I disagree with, that doesn't mean that my only thoughts are negative.

On a number of occasions Cougar has said exactly what I've wanted to say but haven't. I am now going to be a target of Forum mods and NPL because I speak my mind? What if I started to ask the questions that NPL doesn't want to answer, would I then become a target?

I think everyone in the forum should take a step backwards and ask yourself, why do you have a problem with Cougar? It seems like a bandwagon that everyone is jumping on. I refuse to do this until Cougar does or says something which I think is disgraceful. He can say as many things as he wants that I don't agree with, that's the point of the forum. I think it's important to have people like Cougar that keeps "everyone honest" so to speak.

And before you go attacking me and my post, just think that I'm someone offering a different opinion.



I pretty much agree brice.

But there are ways and means of getting your point across. What YOU have done is posted something that is well thought out, coherent and constructive. a lot of cougar's posts are nowhere near that.

i agree that the cougar has raised some valid points, and he also has the ability to convey them constructively, as seen in the venue reviews, which are very good and a welcome addition to the forum.

but there are other times when cougar (and many others including myself) have posted in a non-constructive and derogatory manner. I think cougar chose to post in this manner, and did not help himself or anyone else by doing it.

so i wholeheartedly agree that there should be a range of opinions on the forum, and many that we aren't going to agree with. But if you think you are about to post something controversial, make sure the post is well thought out and constructive, not just a whinge.

my 2 cents

PS (i am definitely not immune from whingeing on this forum, i have done it plenty of times, but i will also try to post constructively)

Re: Being Constructive with posts

Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 9:35 am
by Des
i wholeheartedly agree ben.

just letting everyone know Cougar is not banned from the forum.

Re: Being Constructive with posts

Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 10:04 am
by bennymacca
Des wrote:i wholeheartedly agree ben.

just letting everyone know Cougar is not banned from the forum.


agreed, my post sorta does make it sound like he has been banned from the forum, i will edit my post

Re: Being Constructive with posts

Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 10:05 am
by David
And then stay around, there'll be another post.

No, don't leave!

Re: Being Constructive with posts

Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 10:13 am
by Garth Kay
I would like to think that I have answered all questions fairly appropriately most time, no matter the nature of the post.

I may have flown of the handle once or twice.

It disappoints me that Brice has taken this stance and believes this is a factor in Paul's suspension.

You have the right to say anything you wish, within reason, and as I have previously stated we are all open to constructive criticism. But it is the way this criticism is expressed that is key.

Look at Dug's post "NPL needs an overhaul", he has some negative stuff to say about NPL and our tournament format, but it is 22 pages of good, open discussion and debate.

Compare that to Paul's original post in regards to the Berri event and the responses it drew from the majority of players, that responded to Dug, but the difference in attitude and tone (and maturity levels) is dramatic.

Re: Being Constructive with posts

Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 10:30 am
by bennymacca
exactly right garth, this is what i was getting at

Re: Being Constructive with posts

Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 1:40 pm
by mr_niceguy_1979
Garth Kay wrote:It disappoints me that Brice has taken this stance and believes this is a factor in Paul's suspension.


I guess I may have been a little unclear in my statements

This raised 2 points of discussion from my point of view:
1) Paul's behaviour at NPL and suspension
2) What Cougar writes in the forum

1) I can't really comment too much on Paul's suspension, I wasn't there. If he has been given sufficient warnings and continued to act inappropriately, then he deserves to be suspended and I would back that the right decision has been made. I would assume that his suspension and warnings were only a result of what happening at the venue and not as a result of some comments on the forum (although if comments were severe enough on the forum, I guess that this would be taken into consideration).

2) I was just trying to communicate that while people don't seem to like Cougar on the forum, he does make some very valid points. I didn't mean to imply that his behaviour in the forum was the reason for his suspension. It just happened that I was discussing issue 2 in reply to the discussion if issue 1.

I hope I haven't contradicted myself there

Re: Being Constructive with posts

Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 1:42 pm
by David
Garth Kay wrote:
mr_niceguy_1979 wrote:I hope I haven't contradicted myself there


Reason people took you that way was because you replied to the thread in which he was banned.

Re: Being Constructive with posts

Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 1:48 pm
by mr_niceguy_1979
David wrote:Reason people took you that way was because you replied to the thread in which he was banned.


I actually thought of posting something yesterday but Cougar's thread reminded me that I was going to. Wasn't sure whether I really wanted to speak out and be ripped apart

Re: Being Constructive with posts

Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 1:49 pm
by David
mr_niceguy_1979 wrote:
David wrote:Reason people took you that way was because you replied to the thread in which he was banned.


I actually thought of posting something yesterday but Cougar's thread reminded me that I was going to. Wasn't sure whether I really wanted to speak out and be ripped apart


No one is ripping you apart mate :)

Cougar posted a spiel about being banned from the NPL - and the reasons he saw that it happened. Your post, in that thread, in the context o replying to it, made it look as though he was banned because of his conduct on the forum. That's all.