Australia v South Africa, 1st Test, Perth

[AceLosesKing]

You do have to feel a little sorry for modern day umpires though, the armchair umpires (i.e. us) get the assistance of replays with all the different technology which makes it easy in most cases to see whether a guy is out or not, they have to make a decision after seeing the action only once and at full speed when it happens.

On the other side of the coin, they are professionals and it's inexcusable.

LOL. Very nicely done, Pete (he's obviously joking, Krunch).

[BigPete33]

I really wasn't joking at all.

I have absolutely no tolerance for umpiring mistakes of any kind. They are there to be 100% correct 100% of the time otherwise it's all flawed from the start.

To be fair, I do have high expectations for a lot of things, and am quite fussy.


Ignoring that, benefit of the doubt goes in the batsmans favour doesn't it?

[BigPete33]

In response to the undoubtedly forthcoming 'oh they're only human' comments....

It's their job, they are professionals, they KNOW they are expected to be right all the time.

Sometimes though, it can very well be simply too hard to tell, which should result in a <garth shrug> and follow whatever the rules for that particular sport say when a <garth shrug> happens.

I'm fully supportive of giving umps absolutely any kind of technical assistance they could use though, they HAVE to be right - so it makes sense to help them however possible.

[BigPete33]

And did I mention that Hayden's an obvious hack?

LOLOLOLOLOL

[krunchie]

well lets open a can of worms right here and now then.

Umpiring any sport at ANY level is always going to be flawed as it is done by humans and they will ALWAYS make mistakes.

so lets get rid of umpires completley and do all adujication by computer and tv replay.


I dont care what level of sport you watch there is always mistakes by the umpire. A good umpire is actually only someone who on average makes less mistakes than others.

There wouldnt be any game in the history of mankind that has been completely 100% mistakeless by the umpire.

So to expect 100% acuracy by an umpire is lunacy.

The randomness of umpiring decisions is actually one of the things that makes sport what it is, things can be going swimigly and then 1 mistake by an umpire occurs and look ohh shit Italy have a penalty in the 90th minute of the world cup second round vs the aussies, and the dream is over. But you know what, it evens out over time.

[BigPete33]

so lets get rid of umpires completley and do all adujication by computer and tv replay.

That'd be great

But you know what, it evens out over time.

No, it doesn't. That's a pet hate of mine. Even more so when 'time' is used in reference to that particular season.

Eg: Over the course of a season a team may have let's say 8 poor decisions that directly cost them the match - such as penalty or free kick decisions that were incorrect, if we continue with your football example. I'm deliberately avoiding little things like free kicks in a non-attacking position because they don't have the same scope to directly and immediately influence the match.

If someone was to say 'well it'll all even out in the end' which season at the end of which decade were they referring to? For that to even out that same team would need 8 also incorrect decisions (of the same magnitude) to go in their favour in the same season. I'd love an example of when that's actually clearly happened.

I'll agree it's possible for the same ref over the course of the season to make 8 shocking decisions and 'balance them out' by making 8 glorious decisions, but tell that to the teams he's shafted - particularly if they've just missed out on something huge as a result, or worse, been relegated.


Given that we're supposed to be talking about cricket, I think we all agree Haydos was pretty unlucky with his 2nd innings dismissal.

If that happens to get seen as 'haydos failed again' and it threatens his career.... just try telling him how it evens out in the end.

Try to remember he's a large bloke carrying a cricket bat though

[Bacon]

Pete. it did even out... matty was out lbw at 0, but the umpire made the wrong decision.. then at 4, he was given out incorrectly.

The Hayden failed calls are right, cos he failed at 0. He was just lucky to get another 4 runs.

Krunchie, different but same, I was an indoor cricket umpire.

[BigPete33]

Good, so it must obviously even out every single time then?.......


not.

[Bacon]

Good, so it must obviously even out every single time then?.......


not.

I know. I just wanted an example that worked. Just to show that you can prove anything if you wanted.

(Hey, I can use stats to PROVE MacGill is a better bowler than Warne, but even Blind Freddy knows that ain't true)

[BigPete33]

haha glad to hear you finally admit Warnie is better