You're a Bunch of Factors

I have looked around and don't see a thread for this, so here goes.
I am the only person who thinks this is NOT a good idea?

1) The TD may knock me out and I lose points.
2) The TD will be playing cards so what be able to help others if their is a dispute. One main thing I hate is when there is a dispute and you have to wait for a TD to come and help.
3) If the TD makes the final table, who will deal?
4) Why are they playing? You don't go to Crown and expect the dealer to raise you pre-flop!

All other things pretty happy with.

Do you mean the TD who should actually be working on the night or someone who is a TD but is not working at the time?

I'm fairly sure Garth has thought and rethought the concept of staff playing against the players pretty recently - not sure of the result of that though.

There's certainly arguments for and against but I personally don't mind it either way as long as they can't get points.

sunbury2 wrote:I have looked around and don't see a thread for this, so here goes.
I am the only person who thinks this is NOT a good idea?

1) The TD may knock me out and I lose points.
2) The TD will be playing cards so what be able to help others if their is a dispute. One main thing I hate is when there is a dispute and you have to wait for a TD to come and help.
3) If the TD makes the final table, who will deal?
4) Why are they playing? You don't go to Crown and expect the dealer to raise you pre-flop!

All other things pretty happy with.

From what you're saying it sounds like the TD is playing while working. That is not allowed at all. We are only allowed to play while off-duty.

Is that what you were trying to say?

can someone please fix the dates and times, some posts are coming on tuesday 2rd jan, 2008, others in june, 2007 ......

and for what it's worth, now someone else has brought it up, I disagree with td's playing - full stop. if you work for Kmart and they have a competition, the fine print says that no one who works for kmart or their subsideries, or their advertising or marketing companies, can participate.

unfair advantage, lack of care or concern or consideration - they can take a player out when otherwise that player may go on to make final table or at least get points - I think it is poor form - again, just my opinion, so sunbury 2, you are not alone in your thoughts... queen 9

My thoughts on this prob wont make a difference but here goes .... I play npl by choice of product i tried nppl and i also played An inferior organisation run by inferior staff and frequented by less than avarage players which i dont mind paying as i play against a lot of my players as we have no events this way monday or tuesday so its great to catch up with actual players form my venue on a social level

I do minimum 3 nights a week and on the nights off i enjoy going to play poker somewhere, its ok for me to go to the local An inferior organisation run by inferior staff and frequented by less than avarage players event and play but plenty of times i forget local events .....i wanna play against other players from event i run further from home

On a night i have off my wife and i and usually a few friends will go to caulfield etc and spend anywhere up to 200 dollars but if we dont have that option then what do we do support another league jjust doesnt make sense !!!!!!!

If im forced to play An inferior organisation run by inferior staff and frequented by less than avarage players or NPPL and spend my money there then thats managements choice but i personnally think its stupid to support other venues

Management told me the point of npl poker is "THE 3 F's" fun fair and free
if we cant promote this on a social level to then we cant complain also when our players start playing different events to play against us

Everyone also comments on here how NPL contractors are better players than most players also so if we play and show how a table is supposed to be maintained during a game also it brings quality to a game that everyone can enjoy and people can see how much better events are ran with us running a social table as opposed to standing over the table demanding it be ran the way we want it

I also love the fact that i get to play with my regular players at a social level and not always seeing them on a work level all the time

BUT IF A TD WHO IS ACTUALLY RUNNING AN EVENT ACTUALLY PLAYS WHILE WORKING THEY DESERVE TO COP THE FULL BRUNT OF ANY PUNISHMENT

I've played against some of the current TD's and management in a regular game and I must say I have enjoyed it most times. But a TD has nothing to gain or lose by playing willy, nilly or trying to impress us with some of their over betting skills.

Unfortunately, by doing so he or she may effect the regular punter/s results for their seasonal points to enable them a chance to play in one of the state or regional finals.

So, I must say I'm not a great lover of TD's or assistant TD's if they still have them playing in a regular weekly tournament for similar reasons as that of Sunbury2 and Queeny.

I have no complaints if it's a "SPECIAL EVENT" which includes TD's, management or the likes to enter into a tourney that doesn't effect the points system.
By doing so it allows an even playing field.

However, if management have already pencilled it in prior to the commencement of the 2009 seasons it will probably be a givven.

Good luck to all you in the coming 2009 season and let's hope the changes are for the betterment of both the NPL and their punters.

queen9 wrote:can someone please fix the dates and times, some posts are coming on tuesday 2rd jan, 2008, others in june, 2007 ......

and for what it's worth, now someone else has brought it up, I disagree with td's playing - full stop. if you work for Kmart and they have a competition, the fine print says that no one who works for kmart or their subsideries, or their advertising or marketing companies, can participate.

unfair advantage, lack of care or concern or consideration - they can take a player out when otherwise that player may go on to make final table or at least get points - I think it is poor form - again, just my opinion, so sunbury 2, you are not alone in your thoughts... queen 9

This has been discussed ad naseum on these boards for quite a while now. Your points mirror several other people's feeling on the subject, you're definately not alone.

I've already made my views clear, I'm all for off-duty staff playing.

1 thing I will add is if someone gets knocked out by a TD, so what? Does it make any difference that the TD can't place? He/she obviously had the better hand to win the pot so what does it matter who beat you? You still would have only had the 2nd best hand to whoever was sitting in that seat.

We can't score points, so the points positions aren't affected. Maybe you shouldn't treat us any differently than any other player. Simply classify us as you would any other player (Calling station, LAG etc.) based on our play and go from there. I honestly believe the positives outweight the negatives here.

If I can find the link to the previous thread(s) I'll post it.

I Cant see the problem with TD's playing on nights they are not working.

But why is it when we have these type of discussions it always comes back to - But they will effect the points i get.

For Firetrucks sake people,get a grip, The NPL is a wonderful organisation that runs poker at a higher level in gereral than other organisations, and yes we all want to make Sate Finals, but in the end, surely why do we play NPL

is 1/ because we love poker. 2/ its cheap. 3/ becuase we love poker.

I can only see benifints to having the TD's play.

They will always make sure the table they are on runs well and people obey the rules ( so if you are on that table thats one less thing to wory about)

They are probably in general a slightly better than average standard of player ( im talking in the norm, yes some will be crap, but others will be dam good), and to me this can only be good for your game too.

Playing people of different standards is the only way to become a better player ( i sat down at a table of calling stations the last week of the season, with my state final life on the line, i didnt have to but i thought that if i can learn more it will make me a better player and if i get through that and qualify i would have really deserved it).

My last point is along the same line as calebs, no body said you had to play those cards against a TD, its the same as if JOE HASCHEM sat down at your table, you would instantly be wary and think a lot more about your decisions when he is in the hand, this is no different.

Every time you play you should be working out or identifying the different level of players at your table and playing your cards differently to each of those players and the level they represent, so a TD is no different, you already know they cant get points, and you know in general they are a better standard of player so play them that way.

On a side note, People that staff the NPL in general will be people that love the game ( look at garth and brett for eg), they came into service of the npl becuase it can combine there love of poker with a gret job, this would be the same for TDs. Would the job of being a TD be not so atractive if we said, yes you can work for us but absolutley cant play for us at any time, I Think not, so then we could endup with slightly less proffesional employees doing a sub standard job and start to look like the APL.

if you are in the B&G, you WANT darren on your table, he is a massive d-word and will pay you off in no time!!!

seriously though, what is wrong with TDs on their night off playing? as paul said, it is much better for NPL to have their staff playing NPL instead of a competitor.

but more importantly, NPL is primarily about a fun and social game of poker - and most or the TDs that i have played against with are nice people and are fun to have a game with. so this is the most important thing


side note:

queen, stop worrying so much about points and placings. it will kill your enjoyment of NPL after a while.

in the first season of NPL in SA, i cantered in and finished top of my venue by a long way. in the second season, i tried to play seriously and finish top again. two things happened - first, i didnt' make states, and second i wasn't enjoying playing any more. i missed the next 2 state finals because i was putting too much pressure on myself. as soon as i realised that it was more about fun, i relaxed and i actually played better, and so now i have made the last 4 state finals.


secondly queen, i believe that in the new season of npl, the person that knocks out an off duty TD will receive the same points as 15th will get.

does this change your views on whether TDs affect the points negatively?

I has points!

No! dey be stealing my points!