Poker Edict

[JT]

Played a tourny where it seems that some things are gettin out of hand amongst players who play together often.

I play once a week as it is hard to get out more than that with my work / sport and family commitments.

I finished 20th and had to have a word to the TD on my way out as the table I was on had 3 sitting in say seat 1 / 2 and 3 all basically playin together.

I did speak to the TD as I was leavin and told him the practises that were going on the table and I hope that the TD passes this on not only to the other NPL staffer there but other NPL staffers.

Some people are gettin are bit matey out there and not remembring some of Pokers core rules.

[JT]

I thought I might also add the 2 things that really made for a really bad experience.

[JT]

I thought I might also add the 2 things that really made for a really bad experience.

The first one was player in seat 1 whispered to seat 2 and 3 what they had in a live hand - A Pair of ladies

Seat 2 and 3 promptly folded ( no one else heard - but I thought I heard it but wasnt sure )

I had KJ suited and the bet was small so I called just in case I was wrong and didnt hear what I heard.

Junk came out on the flop and seat 1 made a massive bet in to it - I folded.

I showed my cards and so did seat 1 - I just shook my head cause I did actually catch them out.

I told the TD who promptly grabbed seat 1 and gave them a talking to - seat 1 sat back down and was really pissed @ me.

Next hand is dealt and you wouldnt believe it seat 2 whispers to seat 1 what they have - I just shook my head @ seat 1 and before I could get a word out seat 1 goes right off @ because I knew what they were doing. I explained that it has stop and the rest of the table doesnt have to put up with it and I dont have to put with abuse either.

It did stop after that but I did feel that the TD should of hung around a little to watch what was going on.

[JT]

I thought I might also add the 2 things that really made for a really bad experience.

The second one took a while for me to catch on but once the blinds got bigger it was very noticeable and I counted 35 hands with out it happening. - the last hand I counted was when I got knocked out

None of them were betting against each other in any hand.

This was happening when it was either on the small and big blind situation with themselves or against another player on the table when either seat 1 / 2 and 3 were betting agianst them.

I did knock seat 3 out which made it a bit better for the table but it was getting on ridiculous @ one stage.

This situation did happen and it was one of many - seat 1 on the small bind $500 and seat 2 on the big blind $1000.

Every one else folds so seat 1 calls $500 and leaves it at that.

The flop comes out - K / 5 / 8 all different suits - so we get check /check - but seat 2 calls check first

The turn card isnt even turned yet and we get from seat 2 check and then seat 1 calls check - the card is a J

On the river once again before the card is even flipped we get check - check this time in order - the card is a 2

There was no chance for a straight or a flush and both players flip - seat 1 has a KJ and seat 2 got a pair of 8s with another low card.

Can any one please explain why seat 1 did not make a bet at any stage in that hand ???

[Ondie J]

The first scenario you described with the whispering of hands, is a massive nono. That is hard against all the rules that I know and I am VERY happy that you took the action to mention it to the TD.... even if you did cop some flak from it. It's a pet hate of mine at the table when people are live and they are telling or, yes it happens, show other players what they have.

I know that some people claim that, 'were not playing for sheep stations' and it's just for fun, but you still play to win. I don't think that there is a single sport that I play where I don't try and win and poker is no exclusion. That aside, the rules of the game are there for a reason and players need to learn to respect them -- even the ones that are plain silly.



The second... whilst I can see your point, you do not need to bet at any stage regardless of who your sitting next to. That said, if you don't want to bet against someone or knock them out, you don't have to and I've been guilty of 'checking' the hand to the river myself. There are so many arguements as to 'why' someone didn't bet that range from trying to slow play a hand to being worried that they might have a set and are slow playing it themselves.

But your explanation... they knew each other and didn't want to bet against each other.

[BigPete33]

Whilst we're on about pet hates....


I've seen this one a bit too much for my liking recently, a player is allin (or even just makes a very large bet/raise) and another player is umming and ahhing as to if they want to call or not....so they show their cards to their partner/friend/whatever who is not even playing and their partner/friend/whatever says what they would do ie 'yeah i'd call'.

Now pardon me, but it's not a team effort. Make up your own darn mind (and I can assure you that's the super polite version of what I really think).

Interested to know if the person deliberately showing their cards to a spectator should have to fold.

[Scotty]

Watch some the opening days of this year's WSOP Pete, you'll lose count of the times a player picks up his/her cards and holds them up for the entire gallery behind to see. All whilst the hands are still live.

Soft playing is a hard form of collusion to police. Since no cards are getting tabled and no, or next to no, verbal or otherwise communication is necessary, you're hard pressed to do much about it. Online soft play is a different entity, as the poker room obviously doesn't require your cards to be tabled or witness any communication to pick it out.

[BigPete33]

I think you missed the point (but only a little).

The spectators aren't right up your clacker at the WSOP tho are they?

It's not the showing of the cards to the gallery/spectators, although I still reckon showing live cards is a no no...it's hearing the spectator say what to do then doing it. I'll just put down my cards, leave the table, and ring Garth for advice shall I ?

[David]

My pet hate - people giving advice in general who aren't in the hand (but on the table).

"You're getting 5 to1 return .... good odds" they say after stacking all the chips (when they aren't even dealer) to see how much is there.


et al..

[JT]

The first scenario you described with the whispering of hands, is a massive nono. That is hard against all the rules that I know and I am VERY happy that you took the action to mention it to the TD.... even if you did cop some flak from it. It's a pet hate of mine at the table when people are live and they are telling or, yes it happens, show other players what they have.

I know that some people claim that, 'were not playing for sheep stations' and it's just for fun, but you still play to win. I don't think that there is a single sport that I play where I don't try and win and poker is no exclusion. That aside, the rules of the game are there for a reason and players need to learn to respect them -- even the ones that are plain silly.



The second... whilst I can see your point, you do not need to bet at any stage regardless of who your sitting next to. That said, if you don't want to bet against someone or knock them out, you don't have to and I've been guilty of 'checking' the hand to the river myself. There are so many arguements as to 'why' someone didn't bet that range from trying to slow play a hand to being worried that they might have a set and are slow playing it themselves.

But your explanation... they knew each other and didn't want to bet against each other.

Cheers Andre

I guess I would of still bet with a KJ - ive knocked mates out before and will do it again.

We generally sit at different tables to start and if we are good enough on the night we will catch up on the end tables towards the end of the night - when the gloves are off !!!