Another Scoreboard question

[Sinitster]

Ok ,

I tend to agree , and disagree with the said events (AK & MM) being a buy in .

We ALL do NOT like the deadstacks , and the play of some players .

We ALL know these events fill quickly , leaving some of us wanting to chase the bigger points , left right out (my fave cricket position).

We ALL should realise these circumstances and learn to play with it . (eg. get signed in as soon as rego opens (AK 12.30 , MM 5:30 "SA time" for those who aren't sure) .

We ALL should note the players that play a certain way , and use it to our advantage , take advantage of the deadstacks on your table , as easy as a min raise !

Now i am NOT trying to start a riot , just pointing out some little solutions to deal with the circumstances at hand .

Now OK ..

Argument for freeroll 3x multiplyers :

Here is a hyperthetical view from a not so well off player from a country region where venue numbers are minimal :

Entry into these 3x games (AK & MM) , as a freeroll is perfect , it gives me the opportunity to obtain the bigger points to help me with various leaderboards , with NO costs involved .

Fair enuff i rekon ....

Really , why should the bigger point games be only an advantage to those who don't care about thew monetary side of playing the game for points /leaderboards ?

Cheers P

Oh dear .....


*runs and hides in corner with asbestos suit on /


ps. A group of larks is called an exaltation

[Origami]

Ok ,

I tend to agree , and disagree with the said events (AK & MM) being a buy in .

We ALL do NOT like the deadstacks , and the play of some players .

We ALL know these events fill quickly , leaving some of us wanting to chase the bigger points , left right out (my fave cricket position).

We ALL should realise these circumstances and learn to play with it . (eg. get signed in as soon as rego opens (AK 12.30 , MM 5:30 "SA time" for those who aren't sure) .

We ALL should note the players that play a certain way , and use it to our advantage , take advantage of the deadstacks on your table , as easy as a min raise !

Now i am NOT trying to start a riot , just pointing out some little solutions to deal with the circumstances at hand .

Now OK ..

Argument for freeroll 3x multiplyers :

Here is a hyperthetical view from a not so well off player from a country region where venue numbers are minimal :

Entry into these 3x games (AK & MM) , as a freeroll is perfect , it gives me the opportunity to obtain the bigger points to help me with various leaderboards , with NO costs involved .

+1




Fair enuff i rekon ....

Really , why should the bigger point games be only an advantage to those who don't care about thew monetary side of playing the game for points /leaderboards ?

Cheers P

Oh dear .....


*runs and hides in corner with asbestos suit on /


ps. A group of larks is called an exaltation

a thinking man this Sinister,

where is he on the Leaderboards/ Dream team ??

WP m8

nb = WP = Well Planned.

[gundog]

Ok ,

I tend to agree , and disagree with the said events (AK & MM) being a buy in .


Entry into these 3x games (AK & MM) , as a freeroll is perfect , it gives me the opportunity to obtain the bigger points to help me with various leaderboards , with NO costs involved .
Really , why should the bigger point games be only an advantage to those who don't care about thew monetary side of playing the game for points /leaderboards ?

Cheers P


*runs and hides in corner with asbestos suit on /

Phil sorry but the problem is not as much the dead stacks, more he point that these events attract a 3x points score, if you want to retain the 3x status make it a full blown challenge game with a buyin, if you want it to remain a freeroll/rebuy game then revert back to a 1x game.

I have said many times before these high points games are not at a time suitable for someone who holds down a regular job, AK starts too early and MM can go far too late, I will present 2 examples Fri nights game still had 3 players live at 1AM, Mondays Game which I was a participant still had 37 players live @ 2230, at which time I had to leave the game, I therefore presented a problem, I had just over 14k yet still managed to cash and I may have pointed, but I was a dead stack neverless.
(with the current setup whilst its not that important in whole scheme of things I could feasibily play a MM game to the end on Wed & Thurs if I dont go to a venue and Friday, Tue & SatI'm in venue whilst Sun Mon just finish too late)

[JMACK007]

Garth, no one has mentioned it here, but I did in another topic. I think there is a problem with the current scheduling of the AK & MM games. This season, because of the multiplier, they have become the games you must play to make DT (or at least give you the best chance). The scheduling problem is that to play EITHER of these games, it does not allow you to play in venue that day.....

The AK starts at EST16:00, usually finishes around EST20:30
The MM starts at EST21:00.....

As most venues kick off here in ADL at EST20:00, you can work out for yourself why these games cannot be played if playing in venue....

As this season was supposed to be more encouraging for players to play in venue, I believe this schedualling is counter productive....

Cheers,

Jo

*BUMP*

Hi Garth,

As Gundog has kinda touched on this one above, just wondering what your thoughts are on this as you haven't commented....

[Sinitster]

Phil sorry but the problem is not as much the dead stacks, more he point that these events attract a 3x points score, if you want to retain the 3x status make it a full blown challenge game with a buyin, if you want it to remain a freeroll/rebuy game then revert back to a 1x game.

I do agree with you , but

Deadstacks aside , my point being ; why should the 3x multiplyer games only be available to those who are willing to spend $$ , why cant the person who doesn't want to spend any $$ have access to such an event , so that they too , can chase the leaderboard points ?

I also agree maybe the times of these events could be tuned a little ..


ps...

[sahara1]

anyone else getting dizzy???

[JMACK007]

I do agree with you , but

Deadstacks aside , my point being ; why should the 3x multiplyer games only be available to those who are willing to spend $$ , why cant the person who doesn't want to spend any $$ have access to such an event , so that they too , can chase the leaderboard points ?

I also agree maybe the times of these events could be tuned a little ..

Hi Phil, I think you missed the point there mate. As it stands now, even if the AK & Murrin events only had a 1x multiplier, you would still end up with more points than the guys playing the online Challenge games, simply because of the difference in the amount of runners. 150 for those 2 games, prob 20-30 for current online Challenge games....So the freeroller is still ahead as far as points opportunity....

[Sinitster]

Yes , that is true , i can see that ...
i think if the AK & MM had only the single multiplyer as a "freeroll" it would not fill to capacity ... as some of the other freerolls have up to 200 runners max , but these never fill because the points arent worth chasing ..

I think the idea of freeroll /re-buy with the 3x , is , it helps the person who doesn't want to spend , or doesn't have access to larger venues , be able to keep up with those who do on various leaderboards ...

I mean , one could go and snap 5 wins and 5 top 9's at a certain venue* , play 10 freerolls and not place , and score an avg of well over 750 , which the local player who only has access to a smaller venue (wins 10) and wins 10 freerolls would only be able to avg 400ish .

The freeroll / re-buy 3x , allows them to play for free and still be able to have a stab at the various leaderboards .

[Scotty]

You're right Phil - The MM and AKR field sizes are pretty much predicated on the 3x multiplier. If it reverted to a no multiplier event, it would certainly not fill to anywhere near capacity on a regular basis as it does now.

[JMACK007]

I mean , one could go and snap 5 wins and 5 top 9's at a certain venue* , play 10 freerolls and not place , and score an avg of well over 750

Man, If someone did that at a 100+ runner venue, I for one would bow at their feet!!! (and they would be entitled to win ANY leaderboard they wanted!!)

I think it all goes back to the fact that 888pl want to encourage people to play in venue as well.

Really, IMO, as far as the DT scoreboard goes, it really should be the average of your best 10 in venue PLUS your best 10 online scores to make it a true indication of who are the leading players in our league (since this is the minimum requirement for the scoreboard anyway).....

People can argue that people that play in venues with higher numbers have an unfair advantage, but as I indicated above, the higher the numbers at a venue, the harder it is to make points consistantly as well.....