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[Scotty]

as far as i know, nearly all pot limit or no limit games have them. (and 100% of stud games do as well)

Alot of PLO tournaments don't run antes. Stud games (and razz etc) have to as there is only an opening round bring-in, not two blinds.

[bennymacca]

fair enough, i havent played too many omaha tourneys.

[Caleb]

as far as i know, nearly all pot limit or no limit games have them. (and 100% of stud games do as well)

Alot of PLO tournaments don't run antes. Stud games (and razz etc) have to as there is only an opening round bring-in, not two blinds.

This. Live PLO tourny generally don't have antes, that's an online only thing I think. Like PLO needs any reason to be sicker than it already is.

If the game went to midnight with antes imagine what time it would've finished without them

A lot of finals where played long before anties came in, and they finished in around the same time as with them.
In fact all they do is slow down the game and force it to become more a game of luck than ever.
In a big torny you get dry runs of cards.
If you are smart you can get though it, but with antes it can destroy you.

But with only 20min blind levels, 3000 start stack. The only final that I personally played in this format was Tea Tree Gully states, and it was just not enough to play well. And the game still went till 1:30am.

Currently 5000 start stack (15000 for the challenge WOOT), 30 min blinds. Remove the antes and the game WILL extend until 3am GUARANTEED, and no-one wants that.

What would you suggest, out of curiousity?

[muzzington]

888 Omaha tourney anties are EVERYONE CALLING PREFLOP.

[Caleb]

888 Omaha tourney anties are EVERYONE CALLING PREFLOP.

Raise sometime! Push them off! They'll have no value to call and recognize that!

(Unless they are German)

(or Brazilian)

(or Swedish)

(or French)

(or Canadian)

(or British)

(or American)

(or really bad players)

[muzzington]

*raise*

EVERYONE CALLS.

*jubujbjngf7y88y7gikgu;*

[bennymacca]

This. Live PLO tourny generally don't have antes, that's an online only thing I think. Like PLO needs any reason to be sicker than it already is.

ok, i have only ever played omaha online with the exception of some home games

[bennymacca]

1. Don't Play Every Hand / Do Fold More
Probably the number one mistake beginning poker players make is that they play far too many hands. When you're just starting out playing poker, you want to play poker, and that means staying in hands that aren't very good just to be part of the action. But playing more doesn't mean winning more, it usually means losing more. If you find you're staying in half or more the hands you're dealt, you need to upgrade your starting hand requirements.

i was thinking about this a little bit more, and i think it is probably slightly wrong.

i would change this to "dont limp every hand - raise more and fold more"

limping is by far the worst option out of the three. in fact, i would say that in general, players should be limping less than 5% of your hands, raising 15% and folding 80% (roughly of course). or out of the hands that they actually do play, less than a quarter should be a limp or a call.

similar with calling raises. either 3bet them or fold. if your hand isn't good enough to 3bet, then just let it go. there are obviosuly cases where calling is the right play, but this should be the last option you think about, as a fall back if both of the others dont seem right.


i.e whenever you go into a hand, your thought processes should be

should i raise?

if the answer is yes, go ahead and raise. if the answer is no, should i fold?

if the answer is yes, then fold. if you dont want to fold, the next question is, on second thoughts, should i have thought harder about raising?

if the answer is yes, then stop being a pussy and put in that raise. if the answer is no, then, and only then should you limp.


as raffi said once, aggressive poker is winning poker (like that one old man Swanky? ) keeping your limping range small is the way to succeed.

[Bacon]

benny the cunt, how do you counteract against those players that then get annoyed at you constantly raising/re-raising?

I played an Away game last week were I was being quite aggressive, mind you I was getting decent cards, and was lucky enough that at Showdown I always has a top 10% hand (they never called me down with the other 15% )

But, this one player (A) was calling me in ATC, because he didn't like the aggression...

And I knew this, so I made the raises bigger, yet still he called and luckboxed his ATC's.

Player S (on my left), mind you, was limping pre, to minimise his effect, since (A) would rarely raise himself.

Is that a better ploy?

[bennymacca]

benny the cunt, how do you counteract against those players that then get annoyed at you constantly raising/re-raising?

keep raising them until they have the stones to play back at you.

if they start playing back at you, then just fold more, but never start limping more. there is never ever a case for limping more, well rare enough that i cant think of one off the top my head anyway.

if they start calling with ATC because you are raising too much, but you actually had good hands, then this is what you want. if they luckbox with their junk, then meh. i guess thats where the postflop play comes into it.

this is where your table image comes in. if you have just been caught raising with junk, then just make sure the next hand you show down is decent. then, once you have showed down some good cards, you can gradually start raising with a wider range. its all a balancing act between getting respect for your raises and getting value for your made hands.