FTT Attendance

[krunchie]

12 months is rediculous

but a season is only 10 weeks long and you know your going to have 5 a year, so i dont see it as being to much too ask to be 1 season a head.

thats only 2.5months out.

[Bob B]

I wasn't going to bother replying to any of the following people but then I though why not! You all deserve some sort of reply so I have done so in regards to each persons individual comments. I'm not a follow the leader type of person. I'm an individual with individual thoughts and ideas and I respect most of the comments offered on the forum as being honest.

Big Pete. Hi there big fella, I know your not retarded M8 and yes it would be great to get some dates for special events or finals so we can plan ahead. Nothing like having a couple of months up your sleeve to be able to plan a weekend away with the family or friends only to find your going to miss out on an event you really wanted to attend. Had you known earlier you could have made alternative plans.

Aaron, you know I like you so don't take this the wrong way. Your a pretty smart kid and a great poker player so thinking a month ahead is just fine. At your age I too could go and do whatever I wanted as I was living from month to month too. No kids, no mortgage, no utility bills, no worries just get my pay on a Friday give some to mum and the rest was mine. Had you known earlier that the Metro FTT were going to be on Valentines day would you have made other arrangements?

I know David is a smart man as he has this site running so smooth. So, I'm pretty sure if you were a venue operator and you relied on various functions, meals, gaming, etc, etc, to provide your income then you would definately want to know what bookings you have prearranged so as not to double book the same day.

Krunchie seems to be pretty smart guy too and like big Pete your a monster of a man and that deserves respect, LOL. Wouldn't it be great if you could look at your calander and write in some prearranged events so that you and your family (not sure) could make a weekend of it like the Berri big stack event. I know I'm looking forward to going again provided we haven't made other arrangements with family or friends.

So, in answer to you all I would be very surprised that our beloved NPL is only thinking 10 week ahead with no idea of where or when the next finals will be held then like the astronaut once said "Huston we have a problem".

[maccatak11]

"Houston we have a problem".

Business is clearly a strength bob, but clearly geography and spelling aren't. Just kidding Bob, it was probably just a typo.

[Bacon]

bob, its fairly simple. The finals are held in about a 3 weekend window about 2 weeks after the season ends. So don't book holidays around then.

Ftt are in weeks 6/7 of the season.

You wanna go away, do it in weeks 8-1, or 4-6!

You aren't gonna get exact dates, because things change. You've agreed that happens.

And tell me HOW you know that NPL HAVEN'T got some tentative bookings on venues already?

[muzzington]

I always thought that securing a location was tough because of the unpredictable nature of the venues. I don't expect to know 6 months ahead where the finals will take place, but if I can't make it I can't make it.

[Scotty]

We used to have huge night in Sunbury when we had 4 venues going, based on the NPL leaderboard and the top 100 were invited to participate in a venue final.

I know I seem to have a lot of ideas but here is another one.
Make the season just 9 weeks. The 10th week is a venue final.The top 40/50 depending on average number of regular players make it, but also have a side tournment running with players that have not finished high enough. The winner of the side event gets onto the final table of the venue final with a stack equal to double the big blinds.

Money from the regional finals could be given back to the venues.
The winner of the veune event gets a larger venue prize ie $250 instead of $50. and a plague. Anyone who wins and hasn't qualified for the state, also gets into the state final.
Would mean a player who was unable to finish in the top 5 during the season would also be encouraged to play in the venue final.
Also a near guaranteed full house in the last week of the season.

Congratulations Sunbury2 for pointing out the most obvious solution to a problem that we have had since day one.

One would think it would be so easy to have preplaned the whole year showing where and when the finals will be played for each season.

So, why haven't NPL taken this idea that appears to be a simple solution to us knowing the time, date and where each the finals will be held???????

I can't wait to see the reply from NPL management.

The reason this thread has turned into abit of back and forth arguing, is because Sunbury's post was mis-interpreted. (As has already been pointed out).

Sunbury's suggestion has nothing at all to do with "state finals", or the newly named Championship Series weekend. His idea is purely about turning the last week of each season at every venue into a VENUE final.

Bob, you seem to be referring to the state finals, when and where they are held each season, and how far in advance these event locations are secured. I'm not saying this isn't a valid discussion, in fact it's been discussed before on here. Happy to keep hearing everyone's thoughts on the matter.

But in relation to the initial post you responded to, I believe you have mis-interpreted it.

[Garth Kay]

With rapidly changing competition structures and certain aspects of the poker product under review; we cannot at this time book venues that far in advance.

Our cash game model changes the competition drastically as well as a few other pending decisions.

Once this is finalised a complete calendar of fortnightly special events and NPL Championships as well as National Championships (bit of a euphemism when you are only talking three states) will be available listing all special events for up to 6 months.

And we have trialled booking finals venues up to six months in advance, sometimes event 12 months. It just was not successful and caused more headaches than it was worth.

But we are better equipped and organised now, so it is a possibility.

[Bob B]

"Houston we have a problem".

Business is clearly a strength bob, but clearly geography and spelling aren't. Just kidding Bob, it was probably just a typo.

Thanks Macca it was getting a little late and the topic was getting a little on tilt as you know.

[Bob B]

bob, its fairly simple. The finals are held in about a 3 weekend window about 2 weeks after the season ends. So don't book holidays around then.

Wow, you excelled yourself this time Bacon, thanks for all the [color=#0000BF]about times I'll put them in my about this time calander [/color]

Ftt are in weeks 6/7 of the season.

You wanna go away, do it in weeks 8-1, or 4-6!

You aren't gonna get exact dates, because things change. You've agreed that happens.

And tell me HOW you know that NPL HAVEN'T got some tentative bookings on venues already?
I said that was possible too Bacon.

Bacon you really need to get a grip on yourself M8. I had and have no interest in your above FTT quote as it's not relevent. Sunbury was offering an "IDEA" for a 9 week season and a venue final on the 10th week.

I found his suggestion would be feasable for the likes of a State/Champ final or such and how could we have missed such a simple and workable idea.
The following is a break down of Sunbury's and my original post that I will explain to you step by step so you don't assume what I'm saying.
Sunbury2 said;

I know I seem to have a lot of ideas but here is another one.
Make the season just 9 weeks. The 10th week is a venue final.

I thought the idea or suggestion was a great idea and congratulated him with the following quote.
Bob said;

Congratulations Sunbury2 for pointing out the most obvious solution to a problem that we have had since day one.

I was refering to the problems we have had in the past of not knowing when or where the state finals are to be held until very late or after the season has ended. I actually use my calander for so I can plan ahead, obviously as you said in your reply PM you don't but you think you should.
Bob said;

One would think it would be so easy to have preplaned the whole year showing where and when the finals will be played for each season.

In a perfect world I'm sure Garth and Company and possibly yourself would love to plan that far ahead and in some areas they probably do, I'm not sure about yourself.

And finally Bacon, I realise the NPL body have their plate full at the moment to maintain there position in the market place. With all the new ideas floating around the place not to mention the possability of new games, incentives, prizes plus the onging carp they still need to plan ahead.

Maybe 12 months is a little high but knowing when and where the finals are to be played would nice pre-season. Late notification may have had a bearing on the low numbers for the finals and the Valentines Day FTT events.

I could be wrong, but if my memory serves me well, I'm pretty sure there was a mention of a 9 week tourney somewhere in another post by Garth.

Take care Bacon had enough of this one now so, plan your work and work to your plan like my old M8 Michael G did in the finals.

[Bob B]

With rapidly changing competition structures and certain aspects of the poker product under review; we cannot at this time book venues that far in advance.

Our cash game model changes the competition drastically as well as a few other pending decisions.

Once this is finalised a complete calendar of fortnightly special events and NPL Championships as well as National Championships (bit of a euphemism when you are only talking three states) will be available listing all special events for up to 6 months.

And we have trialled booking finals venues up to six months in advance, sometimes event 12 months. It just was not successful and caused more headaches than it was worth.

But we are better equipped and organised now, so it is a possibility.

Hi there Garth nice post. I'm glad to see you have trialled 12 & 6 month advanced bookings in the past and I'm sure you will get there in the near future coz that's another goal for you to achieve. A complete fortnightly calander sounds awsome and it's a step in the right direction M8.

Planning months ahead and organising new comps, Special events etc, etc, plus trying to retain your current venues opening new ones must be a bit of a nightmare of late.

And yes, you are more organised now. And in an ideal world it would be nice to know when and where the Special Event and Finals will held at the start of a season.

On a plus side. You must be so happy to see you have retained a strong loyal player base and your TD's are working their butts off to keep it that way. Hard work and good support will get you the results you are looking for.