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[David]

Antes are part of the game

It's not something "new"

[Bacon]

If the game went to midnight with antes imagine what time it would've finished without them

A lot of finals where played long before anties came in, and they finished in around the same time as with them.
In fact all they do is slow down the game and force it to become more a game of luck than ever.
In a big torny you get dry runs of cards.
If you are smart you can get though it, but with anties it can destroy you.

If you are smart enough, you'll win enough antes without too much risk.

They play with antes online too.

[bennymacca]

tournaments without antes allow people to sit back and wait for aces all the time.

this is most definitely not showing poker skill - everyone can wait for aces (just ask bruce LOL)

antes should be in every single no limit holdem tournament that isn't super turbo. the fact that pacific poker doesnt have them is extremely weird, they are the only site i know of that dont have them

[one chip]

TheRedLadies Post subject: Re: VIC SEMIFINALS - Roll callPosted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 8:47 pm
Re: semi finals.
I got down to the final 3 tables in the semi-final but with the antes increasing and being dealt crap hand after crap hand, I decided to make a move with Q10 suited and was taken out by a pair of J's. Was happy to get as far as I did though, it was a tough days play. Monster headache now!

Just found this in another section (have shortened the message a bit).
This is the prime example of what I was saying.
Antis forced the player into a game of blind luck.
Not skill.

tournaments without antes allow people to sit back and wait for aces all the time.
this is most definitely not showing poker skill - everyone can wait for aces (just ask bruce LOL)

Going all in blind because you are getting short on chips is not skill as well, any one can do that, same as any one can wait for aces (any one can do any thing).
Knowing when to play and fold is.
To which anti's do not give you a choice

[maccatak11]

Read up on M value's or CSI (Chip Status Index) and you will realise that antes make little difference in a tournament. The timing of when you ahould revert to short stack shove/fold poker changes slightly, and if you are talking about going all in blind, then i suggest you read about this also.

[Scotty]

If the game went to midnight with antes imagine what time it would've finished without them

A lot of finals where played long before anties came in, and they finished in around the same time as with them.
In fact all they do is slow down the game and force it to become more a game of luck than ever.
In a big torny you get dry runs of cards.
If you are smart you can get though it, but with anties it can destroy you.

But those events had a steeper blind structure. With the introduction of antes in the major events, we've also seen a more relaxed blind structure. Hence the similar finish times.

[Bacon]

antes should be in every single no limit holdem tournament that isn't super turbo. the fact that pacific poker doesnt have them is extremely weird, they are the only site i know of that dont have them

Just played a DoN on pacific with antes from level 3.

[trishan]

antes should be in every single no limit holdem tournament that isn't super turbo. the fact that pacific poker doesnt have them is extremely weird, they are the only site i know of that dont have them

Just played a DoN on pacific with antes from level 3.

Yeh lol Without them people will fold until they get premiums and even then will be worried to play unless it is AA.

[rcon]

Yeh lol Without them people will fold until they get 88

[Origami]

TheRedLadies Post subject: Re: VIC SEMIFINALS - Roll callPosted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 8:47 pm
Re: semi finals.
I got down to the final 3 tables in the semi-final but with the antes increasing and being dealt crap hand after crap hand, I decided to make a move with Q10 suited and was taken out by a pair of J's. Was happy to get as far as I did though, it was a tough days play. Monster headache now!

Just found this in another section (have shortened the message a bit).
This is the prime example of what I was saying.
Antis forced the player into a game of blind luck.
Not skill.

tournaments without antes allow people to sit back and wait for aces all the time.
this is most definitely not showing poker skill - everyone can wait for aces (just ask bruce LOL)

Going all in blind because you are getting short on chips is not skill as well, any one can do that, same as any one can wait for aces (any one can do any thing).
Knowing when to play and fold is.
To which anti's do not give you a choice

+ 1000


1st golden rule in poker is ?????


dont play too many hands .


2/. patience


tried a random google any supply the following....

would consider I play to 8/9 out of 10 of these basics...


Want to become a better player, fast? Follow these 10 tips to boost your poker performance & profits. While geared to beginner players, there's poker tips that even seasoned pros should remind themselves of once in a while.



1. Don't Play Every Hand / Do Fold More
Probably the number one mistake beginning poker players make is that they play far too many hands. When you're just starting out playing poker, you want to play poker, and that means staying in hands that aren't very good just to be part of the action. But playing more doesn't mean winning more, it usually means losing more. If you find you're staying in half or more the hands you're dealt, you need to upgrade your starting hand requirements.


2. Don't Play Drunk
Countless nights have I sat across a table from someone & watched them get plastered silly and throw away their entire stack of chips. I've been that person too - and there are nights where you're just playing with friends for low stakes and it's more about the fun than the poker - but if you're in a casino, watch the alcohol. The truth is, while you may be more relaxed after 2 drinks, it may lead to you playing looser and less sharply, even if one's not 'drunk.'
Related: Vote: Should Poker Players be Allowed to Drink at Tournaments?

3. Don't Bluff Just For Bluffing's Sake
A lot of beginner's understand that bluffing is a part of poker, but not exactly how. There's is NO rule that one must bluff a certain amount or at all during a poker game, but many players don't feel like they've won unless they've tried a poker bluff. Bluffs only work in certain situations & against certain people, and if you know a player always calls to the showdown, it is literally impossible to bluff that player. It's better never to bluff than to bluff "just to bluff."

Learn more about bluffing dos and don'ts

4. Don't Stay in a Hand Just Because You're Already In It
Another common mistake beginners make is to think that "Well, I've already put that much in the pot, I have to stay in now." Nope. You can't win a pot just by throwing money at it. There may be cases when pot odds warrant a call, but if you're sure you're beaten, and there's no way your hand can improve to be the best hand, you should fold right away. The money you've already put in the pot isn't yours anymore, and you can't get it back just by playing a hand all the way to the end.

5. Don't Call at the End of a Hand to "Keep Someone Honest"
This one follows the last tip. I see a lot of players look at another player's final bet, look at the hand, & say "I know you've got me, but I have to keep you honest," as they throw in a final call. It may be worth it to see if a player really has the hand if you're not sure & you're gaining information that will help you later on, but if you really feel a player has the hand he's representing & you're beat, why give him another pile of your money? Those bets will add up over an evening.

6. Don't Play When Mad, Sad, or in a Generally Bad Mood
When you play poker, you shouldn't do it to escape from being depressed or having a really bad day. You start out on tilt -- playing emotionally, not rationally -- and you won't play your best. Likewise, if during a poker game, you lose a big hand or get sucked out on and feel yourself going on tilt, stand up & take a break until you feel calm later on. Fellow players will sense your mood & take advantage of it.

7. Do Pay Attention to the Cards on the Table
When you first start playing, it's enough just to remember how to play and pay attention to your own hand. But once you've got that down, it's incredibly important to look at what's going on at the table. In Texas Hold'em, figure out what the best possible hand would be to fit the flop. Make sure you notice flush & straight possibilities. In 7-card stud, pay attention to what's showing & what people have folded when you consider calling opponents.

8. Do Pay Attention to the Other Players
As you play, one of the single best things you can do is observe your opponents, even when you're not in a hand. If you know if one player always raises in a certain position, & another has a poker tell when he bluffs, & a 3rd folds to every re-raise, you can use that information to help you decide how to play against them. Once you know that player 3 always folds to a re-raise on a river, that's when you can bluff & steal a pot.

Learn more about reading poker tells

9. Don't Play at too High Limits
There are many reasons people move up to a higher limit game than they usually play. Good reasons like they've been winning consistently at a lower lever & are ready to move up, & bad reasons like the line is shorter for higher limits or you want to impress someone. Don't play at stakes that make you think about the actual money in terms of day-to-day life or with money you can't lose. Even if you had one super-good night at $2/4, resist the urge to play $5/10. The next tip explains more why.

10. Do Pick the Right Game for Your Skill Level & Bankroll
One of the reasons you shouldn't jump into a $5/10 game after winning a huge bunch of money at $2/4 is because as the stakes rise, so does the average skill level of the players sitting there. You want to be one of the best at the table, not the fish who sits down with sharks. If you're making stacks of money at a lower level game, why move? You're winning stacks of money. The swings up & down at higher limits are much bigger, and one big night's win won't last long at a high-stakes game.