Bad play or unlucky?

[Larx36]

***** Cassava Hand History for Game 254705864 *****
$15/$30 Blinds No Limit Holdem - *** 23 11 2010 21:19:52
Tournament #28825704 $10 + $1 - Table #3 (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: SayersP ( $4,870 )
Seat 2: Dream_Run ( $4,940 )
Seat 3: sapphire05 ( $4,955 )
Seat 4: 888LARX36 ( $3,485 )
Seat 5: dillon_pat ( $5,570 )
Seat 6: kirka23 ( $5,915 )
Seat 7: lukeey86 ( $5,160 )
Seat 9: mattieg1200 ( $5,100 )
Seat 10: kevvie1 ( $5,005 )
SayersP posts small blind [$15]
Dream_Run posts big blind [$30]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to 888LARX36 [Qh][Kh]
sapphire05 folds
888LARX36 raises [$90]
dillon_pat calls [$90]
kirka23 folds
lukeey86 calls [$90]
mattieg1200 folds
kevvie1 folds
SayersP raises [$465]
Dream_Run folds
888LARX36 calls [$390]
dillon_pat folds
lukeey86 calls [$390]
** Dealing flop ** [2h][Kd][Jh]
SayersP checks
888LARX36 bets [$1,170]
lukeey86 folds
SayersP calls [$1,170]
** Dealing turn ** [Qs]
SayersP checks
888LARX36 bets [$1,835]
SayersP calls [$1,835]
** Dealing river ** [Jc]
** Summary **
SayersP shows [Qc][Qd]
888LARX36 shows [Qh][Kh]
SayersP collected [ $7,570 ]



#Game No : 254705949

[gmatical]

Unlucky

[Brett Kay]

Both

[trishan]

You can probably find a fold preflop.

[Larx36]

Both

Plz explain ur reasoning Sir

[Larx36]

You can probably find a fold preflop.

Agreed... I was this close

[trishan]

You can probably find a fold preflop.

Agreed... I was this close

Yeh I mean it's not even like a raise to the standard 270-350. It's 465, they have to be excited about something.

[Brett Kay]

Both[/q

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Plz explain ur reasoning Sir

As Trishan already mentioned about the preflop/flop line.

Even if you narrow down his range to 5-10% of hands, especially this early in the tourney. What are you hoping to achieve with KQs, your behind to pocket pairs, and also to High Ace's and a few random spatter hands also.

Taking that with a raise pre, leading into a reraise to 490 which is 1/7th of your stack, your letting the pot get out of control at 15/30. Find a better spot.

When the flop comes down, he checks. You can take control of the hand by checking, forcing him to make a move on the turn, which then gives you the control in the hand. Can even start to represent A 10 on the board to get him to fold on the turn Q.

By firing into him and he calls out of early position, you have just sacrificed control and position to him.

The queen comes down, giving you two pair, and him a set. Thats just unlucky. If the card came down a random 6, and he then fires a scare bet you can pick up the pot, by calling or by reraising him for the decision if your confident in your decision.

So calling pre was the bad play, the turn card was just unlucky after getting the top pair 2nd kicker, and a draw to the 2nd nut flush.

[JMACK007]

I think the only error is the call preflop. There is no way you are getting away from this hand post flop......

Edit: As Brett says in his last line above..

For the record Brett, you will rarely (probably never) get anyone to fold when they hit their set on the turn there....

Probably the only way you win this pot is if you SHOVE the flop, but even then you probably get called, do a little dance, then see the turn and &$%#@%......

[Patrick_Dillon]

kqs is a raising or a folding hand calling often gets you in alot of trouble.
You need to define your opponents hand and the two calls haven't help you. You don't know if your up against AA or someone trying to steal a raised limped pot.

Pre flop should have been a fold to the big raise.

However on the flop your lead out bet is fine if you are hoping for a raise behind.
Personally I got for a chech raise all in here. After hi big RR preflop he's going to continue whether he's hit or not and even if he has KK your 30% to win the hand and against any other hand your a least a slim favourite and your case a massive favourite.

Once you get called on the flop I would check the turn as your not getting called on that board by a hand that kq beats and your flush draw is down to 1 card.

Pretty much one outed on the turn so you got unlucky, but I would agree with Brett and say the play wasn't optimal either.