You're a Bunch of Factors

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 5.5 Tournament, 40/80 Blinds (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG+1 (t1950)
MP1 (t2130)
MP2 (t6010)
MP3 (t6870)
CO (t8640)
Hero (Button) (t7740)
SB (t1910)
BB (t7490)
UTG (t3860)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J, J
2 folds, MP1 calls t80, MP2 bets t320, MP3 calls t320, 1 fold, Hero calls t320, SB raises to t560, 1 fold, MP1 calls t480, MP2 calls t240, MP3 calls t240, Hero calls t240

Flop: (t2880) 5, 7, 9 (5 players)
SB bets t240, MP1 raises to t1570 (All-In), 1 fold, MP3 calls t1570, Hero ...

snap fold, its not even close.

at WORST one of them has 15 outs against you.

I think, given MP3 can put some hurt on us, and 5-ways to a flop yes we fold here...
Even if a 4th heart falls, doubtful our J is good, and do we really want to (potentially) play for our whole stack here?

FWIW, with a raise and call, I seriously consider folding pre, but that also depends on the players. If they are raising and calling fairly wide I would tend to go the other way and shove on them (squeeze)

Yes, 2 All ins (possibly 3) on a low flushing board raised and re-raised pre-flop should make you toss those Jacks into the muck.

I s'pose you sort of have the stack size to gambool, but probably not well advised to do so - Unless you are feeling lucky

Chips not lost are the same as chips won.
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820 games 0.005 secs 164,000 games/sec

Board: 5h 7h 9h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 07.988% 07.68% 00.30% 63 2.50 { JhJs }
Hand 1: 05.671% 05.37% 00.30% 44 2.50 { AcAs }
Hand 2: 27.012% 26.71% 00.30% 219 2.50 { KhQs }
Hand 3: 59.329% 59.02% 00.30% 484 2.50 { 5d5s }

Hey, I even 'stoved it for you with likely holdings (set, bigger pair, higher flush draw, higher pair) and your JJ is looking pretty average (although interestingly is a better chance then AA (no hearts)

Thanks all. Nice to know I made the right fold... Or was it?

MP3 flatted.

Yes, someone had the Ah of course. But the turn and river bricked with a 4s and a 7d and the pair of 4's won the hand with J4d...

But yes, I did nearly lay down pre. But called purely for 'value'...

calling pre is fine - you can just about set mine with them, but if the flop comes 422r then you can go ahead and play your hand for value.

Carolyn, you're assuming that the other 4 players in the hand all have hearts under the 10h. That's way too big of an assumption.

Nevah play JJ wrote:

bennymacca wrote:As well as a Jack possibly turning over at some point to give you trips.

Should add this to the "over used poker terms thread"


It's a set.