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Put it in pre or post?
Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 1:58 am
by AceLosesKing
Ok, here's the sitch. 888pl tourny, 8 handed.
Sitting with 3.5k at 500/1k. Hero is situated in the BB. Player with 4k limps EP, next to act limps, sitting on 14k~
Folds to me, I have 7s.
Are we shoving preflop? Why/why not?
Re: Put it in pre or post?
Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 8:51 am
by bennymacca
what hand do you have?
if you shove pre, i doubt you have any fold equity. you might actually get more by jamming any flop
Re: Put it in pre or post?
Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 11:32 am
by AceLosesKing
Woops.
I have 77.
Re: Put it in pre or post?
Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 12:03 pm
by bennymacca
meh i shove there, but they never fold
Re: Put it in pre or post?
Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 12:06 pm
by AceLosesKing
bennymacca wrote:meh i shove there, but they never fold
This is my issue.
Re: Put it in pre or post?
Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 12:08 pm
by bennymacca
stop and go could work ok
just shove any flop
Re: Put it in pre or post?
Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:42 am
by MitchyMitch
AceLosesKing wrote:Ok, here's the sitch. 888pl tourny, 8 handed.
Sitting with 3.5k at 500/1k. Hero is situated in the BB. Player with 4k limps EP, next to act limps, sitting on 14k~
Folds to me, I have 7s.
Are we shoving preflop? Why/why not?
Lol, firstly we should of never got down to 3.5k but as is, its a jam 110% of the time we dont care if EP limps and if he's got better so be it, unfortunetly we are in no position to be fold 77 he and he has tomathmaticlly jam any 2 post if we limp. We might as well have minute fold eq, and more so have some call eq. if he somehows finds a fold with garbage on the flop to a jam well we have missed value, at least a jam on the flop will most of the time get a call with any 2 that he has limped in...
Re: Put it in pre or post?
Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:49 am
by MitchyMitch
bennymacca wrote:stop and go could work ok
just shove any flop
a stop and go wont work here, as it dosnt meet the prereqs of a stop and go
Your hand must be good enough to get in [x]
your hand should not be so good against the hands that you villian will fold post flop that you lose from him folding [x]
there should be sig. better chance of you opponant folding on the flop the preflop [ ]
You must be first to act [ x ]
"there should be sig. better chance of you opponant folding on the flop the preflop [ ]"
Considering the 14k oppo has a huge range of flatting there im pretty sure that he is never folding for another 2.5k if he hit any peice of it especcially ifhe is getting 2-1
Re: Put it in pre or post?
Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:03 am
by John Miller
no brainer shove it in with any pair here with 3 BB left your not going to get a better spot... you will def have a race, but if you let it get that low you gota take this chance.
Re: Put it in pre or post?
Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:47 am
by bennymacca
MitchyMitch wrote:"there should be sig. better chance of you opponant folding on the flop the preflop [ ]"
Considering the 14k oppo has a huge range of flatting there im pretty sure that he is never folding for another 2.5k if he hit any peice of it especcially ifhe is getting 2-1
what part of his range consists of 2 random overcards?
what are the chances that person hits the flop with said overcards?