You're a Bunch of Factors

Posted: **Wed Jul 14, 2010 8:00 pm**

Tournament #27614771 $5 + $0.50 - Table #5 (Real Money)
Seat 1: nplking ( $6,975 )
Seat 2: rugbyst31 ( $965 )
Seat 3: mrg153 ( $4,902 )
Seat 4: DUMASF ( $3,478 )
Seat 5: rogues11 ( $5,810 )
Seat 6: ieuanb ( $3,812 )
Seat 7: roniblk ( $3,000 )
Seat 10: rayzersharp ( $2,989 )
rogues11 posts small blind [$50]
ieuanb posts big blind [$100]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to nplking [Qh] [Qd]
roniblk calls [$100]
rayzersharp calls [$100]
nplking raises [$300]
rugbyst31 folds
mrg153 folds
DUMASF folds
rogues11 raises [$750]
ieuanb folds
roniblk calls [$700]
rayzersharp folds
nplking calls [$500]
** Dealing flop ** [7c] [9s] [6c]
rogues11 bets [$5,010] 40/8/5.3 (67)
roniblk calls [$2,200] 46/6/20 (17)
nplking ??

Shortly before first break and I have this hand. They are playing so loose I figure I am ahead a lot of the time but it just smells like at least one of em has AA/KK. I am 8th overall at this stage, best to let it go or do you call?

Posted: **Wed Jul 14, 2010 8:48 pm**

A hell load of hand ranges there ..if they are 'loose' like you said could be 88 in 1 hand and AK clubs in the other, or 99, 66, 77, if they are very loose like VPIP over 45 I would call, if they are under 25 its a fold... its all dependent on the play up too that hand.

Posted: **Wed Jul 14, 2010 8:52 pm**

Codger wrote:A hell load of hand ranges there ..if they are 'loose' like you said could be 88 in 1 hand and AK clubs in the other, or 99, 66, 77, if they are very loose like VPIP over 45 I would call, if they are under 25 its a fold... its all dependent on the play up too that hand.

Btw there stats are:

rogues11 40/8/5.3 (67)
roniblk 46/6/20 (17)

Posted: **Wed Jul 14, 2010 9:07 pm**

Well in that case I would call... you still might be beat by 1 of them ...even LAG's get cards, but its +EV to call, long term you would be in front calling against those stats.

Posted: **Wed Jul 14, 2010 9:10 pm**

Pokerstove knows all!

I don't think you are beating much out there at the moment for this action.

Beware the min 3 bet.

Posted: **Wed Jul 14, 2010 9:11 pm**

I'd hardly call that a "low" board - someone has smacked that flop hard.

At BEST you're up against a TPTK hand or a pair with the straight draw. At a stretch you're up against a naked flush draw.

I can't think of an easier spot to fold QQ

Posted: **Wed Jul 14, 2010 9:15 pm**

I do get sick of seeing the "min bet for value pre with my AA", "uh oh scary board better jam here and turn my hand into a bluff" type scenarios.

Posted: **Wed Jul 14, 2010 9:15 pm**

Garth Kay wrote:Pokerstove knows all!

Not really needed in this situation unless you put them on a hand like [Ac 9c] (where roomie?)

Posted: **Wed Jul 14, 2010 9:18 pm**

Garth Kay wrote:I do get sick of seeing the "min bet for value pre with my AA", "uh oh scary board better jam here and turn my hand into a bluff" type scenarios.

This seems to be happening quite frequently of late. Have the 'big boys' been doing this on TV or something?

Posted: **Wed Jul 14, 2010 9:31 pm**

rcon wrote:
Garth Kay wrote:Pokerstove knows all!
Not really needed in this situation unless you put them on a hand like [Ac 9c] (where roomie?)

Are you sure? If those stats come from a sample of 6700 hands instead of 67, poker stove is most definitely required. Pick your hand ranges below.
Getting almost 2 to 1 on our money? But depending on stage of the tournament our tournament equity (ICM) increases dramatically with a double up in this spot (I presume this because 6K = 8th, 16K would almost be 1st.)

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

6,557,586 games 0.109 secs 60,161,339 games/sec

Board: 7c 9s 6c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 35.705% 34.41% 01.29% 2256750 84627.67 { QdQh }
Hand 1: 33.440% 31.95% 01.49% 2095225 97621.67 { 99+, AKs, AcQc, AhQh, AsQs, AcJc, AsJs, KcQc, AKo }
Hand 2: 30.855% 29.84% 01.02% 1956559 66802.67 { 55+, AcKc, AcQc, AcJc, AcTc, Ac9c, Ac8c, Ac7c, Ac6c, Ac5c, Ac4c, Ac3c, Ac2c, KcQc, KcJc, KcTc, Kc9c, Kc8c, Kc7c, Kc6c, Kc5c, QcJc, QcTc, Qc9c, Qc8c, Qc7c, JcTc, Jc9c, Jc8c, Tc9c, Tc8c, Tc7c, 9c8c, 9c7c, 8c7c, 8c6c, 7c6c, 7c5c, 6c5c, 5c4c, 5c3c, 4c3c, 3c2c, A7o+, KTo, QTo, JTo }

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7,598,745 games 0.141 secs 53,891,808 games/sec

Board: 7c 9s 6c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 34.824% 33.59% 01.24% 2552174 94023.67 { QdQh }
Hand 1: 32.646% 31.23% 01.42% 2373007 107645.67 { 99+, AKs, AcQc, AhQh, AsQs, AcJc, AsJs, KcQc, AKo }
Hand 2: 32.530% 31.58% 00.95% 2399732 72162.67 { 55+, AcKc, AcQc, AcJc, AcTc, Ac9c, Ac8c, Ac7c, Ac6c, Ac5c, Ac4c, Ac3c, Ac2c, KcQc, KcJc, KcTc, Kc9c, Kc8c, Kc7c, Kc6c, Kc5c, Kc4c, Kc3c, Kc2c, QcJc, QcTc, Qc9c, Qc8c, Qc7c, Qc6c, Qc5c, Qc4c, Qc3c, Qc2c, JcTc, Jc9c, Jc8c, Jc7c, Jc6c, Jc5c, Jc4c, Jc3c, Jc2c, Tc9c, Tc8c, Tc7c, Tc6c, Tc5c, Tc4c, Tc3c, Tc2c, 9c8c, 9c7c, 9c6c, 9c5c, 9c4c, 9c3c, 9c2c, 8c7c, 8c6c, 8c5c, 8c4c, 8c3c, 8c2c, 7c6c, 7c5c, 7c4c, 7c3c, 7c2c, 6c5c, 6c4c, 6c3c, 6c2c, 5c4c, 5c3c, 5c2c, 4c3c, 4c2c, 3c2c, A7o+, KTo, QTo, JTo }

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10,859,478 games 0.203 secs 53,494,965 games/sec

Board: 7c 9s 6c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 38.723% 37.43% 01.29% 4064928 140174.33
{ QdQh }
Hand 1: 35.761% 34.30% 01.46% 3724320 159084.83
{ 99+, AKs, AcQc, AhQh, AsQs, AcJc, AsJs, KcQc, AKo }
Hand 2: 25.517% 24.60% 00.92% 2671507 99463.83
{ 55+, A2s+, K5s+, Q7s+, J8s+, T8s+, 98s, A7o+, K9o+, Q9o+, J9o+ }

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11,521,377 games 0.531 secs 21,697,508 games/sec

Board: 7c 9s 6c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 39.812% 38.56% 01.25% 4442773 144092.33
{ QdQh }

Hand 1: 34.354% 32.93% 01.42% 3794231 163765.33
{ 99+, AJs+, KQs, AKo }

Hand 2: 25.835% 24.92% 00.91% 2871660 104855.33
{ 55+, A2s+, K5s+, Q7s+, J8s+, T8s+, 98s, A7o+, K9o+, Q9o+, J9o+ }

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