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Tell me there's nothing wrong with this lead...
Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 8:40 pm
by AceLosesKing
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em Tournament, 25/50 Blinds (9 handed) -
Full-Tilt Converter Tool from
FlopTurnRiver.comSB (t1428)
BB (t2420)
UTG (t1745)
UTG+1 (t2495)
MP1 (t3025)
Hero (MP2) (t5675)
MP3 (t7543)
CO (t1023)
Button (t3006)
Hero's M: 75.67Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K

, A
3 folds,
Hero bets t151,
MP3 raises to t528,
4 folds, Hero calls t377
Flop: (t1131) K

, K

, 7
(2 players)Hero bets t879,
1 foldTotal pot: t1131
Results:
Hero didn't show K

, A

.
Outcome: Hero won t1131
History with villian: He flatted a 3x standard open from an EP player with KK. AQo 3bs, he shoves, doubles.
This is a $24+2 10k gtd btw.
Re: Tell me there's nothing wrong with this lead...
Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 8:55 pm
by AceLosesKing
Oh, I also opened JJ, he flats, I c/c two streets (river checked) on a 9hKc2s 9c 3d board.
Re: Tell me there's nothing wrong with this lead...
Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 9:00 pm
by maccatak11
I always like to lead on these type of boards. I think it is by far the best option. a check/call looks dodgy and a check/raise isn't likely to get his money in the middle either.
Not sure how often you had c-betted in the past, but on that board (which is not really likely to have hit your hand) a lot of people will shove that c-bet with holdings like 88-QQ or even lighter.
I definately think that the flop is the best time to try and get your money in, and by leading you have the best chance of doing it.
Re: Tell me there's nothing wrong with this lead...
Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 9:03 pm
by rcon
no one ever went broke building a pot, and I can't find a compelling reason to check here - particularly in these 24+2 MTTs early on. You're just never going to build a pot by CRing here.
Re: Tell me there's nothing wrong with this lead...
Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:41 pm
by bennymacca
if you check raise, he will fold TT-JJ, and continue with aces.
if you lead, he continues with random pocket pairs, aces, flush draws, etc etc
leading >>> check-raising.
well played imo
Re: Tell me there's nothing wrong with this lead...
Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 3:06 am
by AceLosesKing
maccatak11 wrote:Not sure how often you had c-betted in the past, but on that board (which is not really likely to have hit your hand) a lot of people will shove that c-bet with holdings like 88-QQ or even lighter.
I definately think that the flop is the best time to try and get your money in, and by leading you have the best chance of doing it.
this was my thought process during the hand. He never puts me on a King here and shouldn't be folding out most pairs.
Donking out here looks like a smaller pair, to me, anyway.
Cheers guys.
Re: Tell me there's nothing wrong with this lead...
Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 7:55 am
by maccatak11
not sure what his stats were like, but the fact he raised pre, then folded looks like anything from a little pair A9-AQ or perhaps suited connectors.
Re: Tell me there's nothing wrong with this lead...
Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 6:08 am
by AJG
Also, his reraise from the hijack followed by the fold to flop action from you smells abit like a bigstack steal attempt? (but perhaps a bit small) Even though he wasnt
that much of a bigstack (esp relative to you) all players after him are less than 1/2 his stack (less in the blinds)...
Especially if you have been quite aggresive prior, which seems likely given your stack at 25/50 (3rd level?), this could likely be his play?
And his reraise leaves him just over 7K, ie odd reraise amount if he actually has TT+, and doesnt hurt too much if it doesnt work. Would he really reraise with a smaller PP? (unless, again, hoping you fold)
Im gonna put him on air.
Just putting out a different line of thought