TPTK facing check/overshove?

[maccatak11]

PokerStars Game #35065173240: Tournament #209011156, $2.00+$0.20 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2009/11/08 15:02:20 ACST [2009/11/07 23:32:20 ET]
Table '209011156 79' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: kk00jian (1360 in chips)
Seat 2: Chudaman (1380 in chips)
Seat 3: Tranquilos (1420 in chips)
Seat 4: sumba117 (3790 in chips)
Seat 5: maccatak11 (2215 in chips)
Seat 6: Detrain (1380 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 7: snapperman22 (975 in chips)
Seat 8: joseanido (1670 in chips)
Seat 9: Pilkachu (3240 in chips)
Tranquilos: posts small blind 25
sumba117: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to maccatak11 [Qh Ad]
maccatak11: raises 100 to 150
Detrain: folds
snapperman22: folds
joseanido: calls 150
Pilkachu: folds
kk00jian: folds
Chudaman: folds
Tranquilos: folds
sumba117: calls 100
*** FLOP *** [Qd Td 3c]
sumba117: checks
maccatak11: bets 250
joseanido: calls 250
sumba117: raises 3390 to 3640 and is all-in


Thoughts? This was early in the tourney, so i was pretty much readless.

[bennymacca]

dont really know.

do you HAVE to call though? you haven;t invested much.

looks to me like a set that doesn't want someone drawing (lol fishes)

but meh i prolly snap here a lot of the time

[Scotty]

It's a KJ move as well.

[bennymacca]

u have the Ad, which means that flush draws are much less likely.

KJ is a possibility.

[trishan]

Having played a lot of these early I know people like to gamble a lot early in an attempt to double their stack. On the flop the pot is just over 450, 250 seems a little light. I would be betting more in the region of 300-350 especially given the two diamonds.

He is most likely drawing to the flush and/or straight but he could very well have flopped a set. He could also have a Q with a weaker kicker with hands like KQ/JQ.

The only 2 pair he could have flopped given PF raises is Q 10 which is unlikely. AA/KK is also unlikely given he did not reraise pre.

Hard to tell if he has just a drawing hand or a monster and with one guy left to act - I fold.

[rcon]

I suspect he's betting straight/flush draw as he reads you two in the hand as being weak.

250 into 250 is too light for this situation (if pot was 2 way, fine, but not 3 way), but it does now allow you to get away from it.

That all said, its a $2 tournament, so snap call and sigh when he hits.

and just for the record, i don't think its a set, but one slight possibility could be JJ (i've played JJ this way in this spot before ).

[Todd Rivers]

Having played a lot of these early I know people like to gamble a lot early in an attempt to double their stack.

Yes , so being pokerstars, you are all incorrect.
The correct answer is indeed 8-9 offsuit and the overbet allin is hoping to hit a J.

.........and they do.

[Todd Rivers]

[quote="rcon"]That all said, its a $2 tournament, so snap call and sigh when he hits.
[quote]

...and this

[Garth Kay]

With Todd on this one.

I snap call.

Your bet does look weak and perhaps villain is now thinking Q,2 is good here; there are so many hands here that you beat.

Yet there are only four hands that have you beat; QT, Q3, T3 and 33. Yes I know I have left out QQ and TT, I believe that a player who is willing to check raise all in on that flop and overplay whatever hand they have would be re popping with QQ and TT pre. And after thinking about at those levels I have seen some weird shite. So 6 hands out of a fairly large shoving range.

Snap it off.

[bennymacca]

if you had potted the flop, it prolly would have made your decision easier too.

pretty wet board really, 250 was a bit weak.